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For instructions on how to nominate an article, see Template:DYK nomination header § Instructions for nominators.
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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page with a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area and then promoted into the Queue. To update this page, purge it.

Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
April 13 2
April 14 1
April 15 1
April 16 1
April 19 1
April 24 1 1
April 25 2
April 26 2
April 28 1
April 29 2
April 30 1
May 1 1
May 2 2
May 4 1
May 5 1
May 6 1
May 7 2
May 8 3 1
May 9 2
May 10 3
May 12 6
May 13 1
May 14 3 1
May 15 2 2
May 16 5 2
May 17 8 3
May 18 7 4
May 19 4 2
May 20 7 3
May 21 10 2
May 22 10 7
May 23 10 6
May 24 11 5
May 25 5 2
May 26 8 5
May 27 11 5
May 28 8 6
May 29 6 3
May 30 9 6
May 31 11 10
June 1 5 2
June 2 9 4
June 3 6 2
June 4 3 2
June 5 8 3
June 6 4 1
June 7 8 1
June 8 7 1
June 9 9
June 10 1
Total 233 92
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Instructions for nominators edit

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If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing. Further information can be found at the supplementary guidelines.

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Frequently asked questions edit

How do I write an interesting hook?

Successful hooks tend to have several traits. Most importantly, they share a surprising or intriguing fact. They give readers enough context to understand the hook, but leave enough out to make them want to learn more. They are written for a general audience who has no prior knowledge of or interest in the topic area. Lastly, they are concise, and do not attempt to cover multiple facts or present information about the subject beyond what's needed to understand the hook.

When will my nomination be reviewed?

This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first, it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions below).

Where is my hook?

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.


Instructions for reviewers edit

Main page: Wikipedia:Did you know/Reviewing guide

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
  • Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
  • The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
  • To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

    If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING  :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
  • Save the page.
  • After the nomination is approved, a bot will automatically list the nomination page on Template talk:Did you know/Approved.

If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Advanced procedures edit

How to promote an accepted hook edit

At-a-glance instructions on how to promote an approved hook to a prep area
Check list for nomination review completeness
  1. Select a hook from the approved nominations page that has one of these ticks at the bottom post: .
  2. Check to make sure basic review requirements were completed.
    • Any outstanding issue following needs to be addressed before promoting.
  3. Check the article history for any substantive changes since it was nominated or reviewed.
  4. Images for the lead slot must be freely licensed. Fair-use images are not permitted. Images loaded on Commons that appear on the Main Page are automatically protected by KrinkleBot.
  5. Hook must be stated in both the article and source (which must be cited at the end of the article sentence where stated).
  6. Hook should make sense grammatically.
  7. Try to vary subject matters within each prep area.
  8. Try to select a funny, quirky or otherwise upbeat hook for the last or bottom hook in the set.
Steps to add a hook to prep
  • In one tab, open the nomination page of the hook you want to promote.
  • In a second tab, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.

Wanna skip all this fuss? Install WP:PSHAW instead! Does most of the heavy lifting for ya :)

  1. For hooks held for specific dates, refer to "Local update times" section on DYK Queue.
    • Completed Prep area number sets will be promoted by an administrator to corresponding Queue number.
  2. Copy and paste the hook into a chosen slot.
    • Make sure there's a space between ... and that, and a ? at the end.
    • Check that there's a bold link to the article.
  3. If it's the lead (first) hook, paste the image where indicated at the top of the template.
  4. Copy and paste ALL the credit information (the {{DYKmake}} and {{DYKnom}} templates) at the bottom
  5. Check your work in the prep's Preview mode.
    • At the bottom under "Credits", to the right of each article should have the link "View nom subpage" ; if not, a subpage parameter will need to be added to the DYKmake.
  6. Save the Prep page.
Closing the DYK nomination page
  1. At the upper left
    • Change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • Change |passed= to |passed=yes
  2. At the bottom
    • Just above the line containing

      }}<!--Please do not write below this line or remove this line. Place comments above this line.-->

      insert a new, separate line containing one of the following:
      To [[T:DYK/P1|Prep 1]]
      To [[T:DYK/P2|Prep 2]]
      To [[T:DYK/P3|Prep 3]]
      To [[T:DYK/P4|Prep 4]]
      To [[T:DYK/P5|Prep 5]]
      To [[T:DYK/P6|Prep 6]]
      To [[T:DYK/P7|Prep 7]]
    • Also paste the same thing into the edit summary.
  3. Check in Preview mode. Make sure everything is against a pale blue background (nothing outside) and there are no stray characters, like }}, at the top or bottom.
  4. Save.

For more information, please see T:TDYK#How to promote an accepted hook.

Handy copy sources:

  • To [[T:DYK/P1|Prep 1]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P2|Prep 2]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P3|Prep 3]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P4|Prep 4]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P5|Prep 5]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P6|Prep 6]]
  • To [[T:DYK/P7|Prep 7]]

How to remove a rejected hook edit

  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue edit

  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
  • Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name edit

  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.

Nominations edit

Older nominations edit

Latest comment: 13 minutes ago551 comments136 people in discussion

Articles created/expanded on April 13 edit

Sitdown strike

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Sitdown strikers in the 1937 General Motors strike in Flint Michigan
  • ... that there were 583 sitdown strikes in the United States from 1936 to 1939, affecting over a half-million workers? Source:
  • US Department of Labor, Division of Industrial Relations (May 1939). "Analysis of Strikes in 1938". Monthly Labor Review: Table 16.
  • US Department of Labor, Division of Industrial Relations (May 1940). "Strikes in 1939". Monthly Labor Review: 28-29.

Source 1 states: "The number of sit-down strikes in 1936, 1937, and 1938 by months, with the number' of workers involved, is given in table 16."

Table 16 lists the same numbers of strikes given in source 2 below. It lists workers involved as follows: 1936: 87,817 1937: 398,117 1938: 28,749

Source 2 states: "In 1936 there were 48 so-called sit-down strikes. In 1937 the number increased to 477, but by 1938 they decreased to 52. There were only 6 strikes during 1939 in which all or part of the strikers remained at their workplaces for one or more days after ceasing work. he number of workers idle in connection with these 6 strikes was 3,416, although the number participating in the sit-down or stay-in feature is not known."

This sentence involves a very encyclopedic form of synthesis in that it adds numbers from two consecutive studies by the same source. Similar synthesis, but without inclusion of the latter number appears in Sidney Fine's book Sitdown, cited in the article.

5x expanded by Carwil (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.

Carwil (talk) 16:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC).Reply

  •   QPQ not needed, expansion is recent and article is long enough. Hook is properly sourced. However, Earwig detected a 43.2% similarity. Before I pass this nom, I think it would be suitable to trim down some quotes, if possible. Davest3r08 >:3 (talk) 22:33, 14 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
I've reviewed the Earwig similarity report, which highlights passages that are either in quotes or comprise part of citations (including the journal name and another cited article). The longest passage is the summary of the Matignon Agreement, a quotation I don't think I can improve upon. I've revised the article to reduce the amount of material directly quoted from Torigian and from Adamic, but keep Adamic's longer definition and Torigian's POV that the mid-1930s strikes were a distinct phase of using the tactic. Let me know whether you think these changes sufficiently reduce the reliance of direct quotations.--Carwil (talk) 13:29, 15 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
FYI, here's the Earwig similarity report with bibliography temporarily removed.
  Fair rationale. Passing nomination. LunaEcplise (for the record I'm Davest3r08) (talk) 20:33, 15 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

  @Carwil, LunaEclipse, AirshipJungleman29, and RoySmith: - given that there was no definite resolution to the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Sitdown strike, I'm reopening this. A couple of issues were raised regarding the state of the article, and also whether the figures from the Dept. of Labor should be given in Wikivoice.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:47, 14 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

  • Upon additional consideration, I'm fine with the wikivoice thing. RoySmith (talk) 21:52, 15 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • Replying here as I'm traveling and on mobile only: Hmm... I'm not sure this makes sense as a general principle for DYK hooks (in voice sourcing for official statistics), though I'm not adverse to a "by official counts" phrase being added. There's no reason to suspect that the government counted any non-existent strikes and political reasons to suspect that this government attempted to both be complete in its count and to accurately report both the rise and fall of the phenomenon in its counts. Unintended errors of categorization could fall in both ways. But this seems like the kind of fact routinely sourced in a footnote in a lead section or DYK. - - User:Carwil
  • Alt0a ... that by official counts there were 583 sitdown strikes in the United States from 1936 to 1939, affecting over a half-million workers?
  • Alt0b ... that according to the U.S. Department of Labor there were 583 sitdown strikes in the United States from 1936 to 1939, affecting over a half-million workers?
--evrik (talk) 18:15, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I wonder if there were exactly 583 sitdown strikes between 1936 and 1939 – I think that there should be some lip service to the idea that a figure like that probably can't be exact. Attributing inline makes sense to me, if only briefly. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 19:14, 21 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Comment - @Carwil: there are still some citation needed templates in the article itself, which need fixing. Plus we need a consensus on which hook to use. If this isn't resolved soon, this may have to be rejected and archived. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 20:27, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • @LunaEcplise: I think the sourcing problems are fixed. What about the hooks? --evrik (talk) 01:56, 28 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  I'm dropping this review. Someone else should take my place. 🌙Eclipse (talk) (contribs) 10:38, 3 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
  @Carwil: Much to whinge about here I'm afraid. There are a couple of unsourced bits and unattributed quotes in the article, which I've annotated accordingly, and I don't really think it's on to comment out unsourced content while it's here, so I've taken it out. As written, the Form and purpose section would deserve {{disputed}}, because an account of the late 1930s can't really be written in 1936 and I'd question whether it should even be there given WP:NOTDEF. I'd be willing to approve ALT0b, although I would suggest the below as a WP:DYKTRIMmed variant of ALT0b:
ALT0c: ... that the U.S. Department of Labor recognises 583 sitdown strikes in the U.S., affecting half a million workers?
which says everything ALT0b says in fewer words. (If I had my druthers, we'd be running some variant of "that quickies have disrupted the rubber industry", but pigs will fly before that gets past WP:DYKGRAT.)--Launchballer 11:40, 3 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
  •   @LunaEclipse: I'll try to finish this. @Launchballer: I like ALt0c and will approve it. @Carwil: I went through and did a final clean-up. I found the sources, and dealt with the other tags. --evrik (talk) 22:01, 4 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
    •   ALT0c gives the impression that 583 sitdown strikes have occurred in the U.S. from whenever they began to the present day, while the sources for this hook are from 1939 and 1940 covering only 1936 through 1939, and the article goes on to mention quite a few both before and after those years. Trimming a hook like ALT0b is one thing—I don't see any obvious issues with it—but trimming it to the point that it's misleading if not inaccurate is quite another; I have struck it. I think, given the circumstances, we need a new reviewer; it's a stretch for evrik to be approving a tightened version of their own hook, especially given its issues. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:51, 4 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
      • I'm going to unstrike Alt0b. --evrik (talk) 23:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Apologies, I meant ALT0d: ... that the U.S. Department of Labor recognises 583 sitdown strikes in the U.S. between 1936 and 1939, affecting half a million workers?--Launchballer 11:35, 6 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Me at the zoo

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Jawed Karim
Improved to Good Article status by Davest3r08 (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.

Davest3r08 >:3 (talk) 01:06, 14 April 2024 (UTC).Reply

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited:  
  • Interesting:  
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   @Davest3r08: Everything checks out here. Just waiting on the one QPQ. Nice work! 🐱FatCat96🐱 Chat with Cat 16:04, 14 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

With YouTube Rewind 2018: Everyone Controls Rewind (nom) in prep 5, this should not be scheduled until the next prep 5.--Launchballer 17:09, 4 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Videos attract huge views, and I recommend waiting until we have an answer.--Launchballer 10:24, 18 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Launchballer: I've replaced the video with an image of Karim. It's going to take a while for a consensus on the upload's copyright to form anyways. 🌙Eclipse (talk) (contribs) 18:12, 24 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I won't use that image per WP:DYKIMG. Just noting here that, while the hook should technically have an end-of-sentence citation, ALT0 is clearly a summary of the rest of that paragraph and the alternative's potentially a {{clump}}, so I'm minded to IAR - but is there a source available?--Launchballer 18:26, 24 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

  - @Launchballer, Davest3r08, LunaEclipse, and Schwede66: I've removed this from the queue again, as it doesn't look like the issue of the video's copyright has been resolved yet. I think before this runs, we need to either (a) remove the video from the article, or (b) ascertain that there's a consensus somewhere that its copyright status is valid. As far as I could tell from the discussion last time, we were minded to reject the video's certification given that Lapitsky recorded it, not Karim. I'd think without definitive knowledge that Lapitsky's intention was to release it under that licence, and with it not even being under that licence any more anyway, this is pretty dubious...  — Amakuru (talk) 20:11, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

I've added my 2c to the discussion on Commons. That said, I'm not sure that's quite the right venue for that discussion; it should have been put up for deletion. Schwede66 21:13, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on April 14 edit

Cora Babbitt Johnson

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  • ... that early environmentalists like Cora Babbitt Johnson almost prevented the carving of Mount Rushmore? Source: Smith, Rex Alan (January 1, 1985). The Carving of Mount Rushmore. New York City: Abbeville Press. pp. chapter 2 and chapter 5; Fite, Gilbert Courtland (1952). Mount Rushmore. Internet Archive. Norman : University of Oklahoma Press; Merritt, Riley (2024-04-01). "Borglum's Horse Flies: The Early Opposition to Mount Rushmore". Honors College Theses.
    • Reviewed:
5x expanded by Borg Axoim (talk) and Crunchydillpickle (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.

Borg Axoim (talk) 16:27, 14 April 2024 (UTC).Reply

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited:  
  • Interesting:  
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   The nominated article has one paragraph without a citation. The uncited paragraph could be supported in part by pages 11 and 121 of Mount Rushmore by Gilbert C. Fite, it talks about the Hot Springs Star's editorial stance. https://archive.org/details/mountrushmore00univ/page/121 I also suggest that an alternate wording like "that early environmentalists like Cora Babbitt Johnson almost prevented..." rather than the current wording. Update:Thanks to Mary Mark Ockerbloom for working on the reference problems on the article. Do either of the two nominators, Borg Axoim or Crunchydillpickle, have any final thoughts or last minute suggestions? 🌿MtBotany (talk) 03:52, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

  • No further comments, but I think we're good to go. Letting Borg Axoim and Crunchydillpickle know that its approved. 🌿MtBotany (talk) 23:04, 6 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • @Borg Axoim, @Crunchydillpickle and @MtBotany Where does the wiki article state that the carving of Mount Rushmore was "almost prevented?" Unless there's genuine evidence from the cited source that the project was almost going to be shut down (if so, that should be added in), letters of opposition, protests, and halts do not equal "preventions." This needs to be addressed first before promotion. PrimalMustelid (talk) 19:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
      • You're right, PrimalMustelid sloppy reviewing on my part. One of the project's promotors (Robinson) said that her editorials against the project, "might produce a real disaster." The strongest that could be said is something like "environmentalists delayed the carving of Mount Rushmore" and I don't know that such as statement would be surprising/interesting. If Borg Axoim or Crunckydillpickle are interested in a rewrite of the hook there is a lot of support for something like "the artist who carved Mt. Rushmore called Cora Johnson and other environmentalists opponents "horseflies"." 🌿MtBotany (talk) 17:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
      • PrimalMustelid and MtBotany, you're right that the wording may not be ideal. Two of the sources (Fite and Merritt) mention how Cora Babbitt Johnson swayed the South Dakota governor against the project and that he delayed the project severely. Given that, I think it would be fair to say something like "Cora Babbitt Johnson and other environmentalists lobbied South Dakota governor Carl Gunderson, who halted the Mount Rushmore project until the end of his term". Would that be interesting enough? It could still use some rewriting. User:Borg_Axoim 7:45, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that Gutzon Borglum, the carver of Mount Rushmore, referred to Cora Babbitt Johnson as an "agent of evil"? Source: Smith, Rex Alan (January 1, 1985). The Carving of Mount Rushmore. New York City: Abbeville Press. "So vitriolic were her attacks that Borglum would refer to her only as 'that Hot Springs person,' describing her as 'an agent of evil.'" Hooky, makes you want to click through and find out why. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 21:40, 8 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • @Borg Axoim: thoughts on ALT1? If okay,   review needed for it (hopefully from MtBotany). theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 19:19, 21 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • @theleekycauldron I think ALT1 is good. I have some small concerns about the Rex Alan Smith source, primarily that it doesn't cite info and has clear bias, but I like the rewrite. user: Borg_Axoim 12:55, 22 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT2: ... that the efforts of Cora Babbitt Johnson delayed the construction of Mount Rushmore until 1927?--Launchballer 02:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC)Reply


Articles created/expanded on April 15 edit

Roman roads in Judaea

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Created by Owenglyndur (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.

Owenglyndur (talk) 07:41, 17 April 2024 (UTC).Reply

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited:  
  • Interesting:  
QPQ: None required.

Overall:   This nomination still needs work. As it's your first nomination, I'm happy to give you time to improve this. But, at minimum, you need to settle on an interesting hook with a reliable source that you can clearly cite for it. Unsourced sections need to either be removed, or reliable sources cited inline with them. Grnrchst (talk) 13:43, 17 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

  • Suggestion: if you find a source for current use of the same routes, that might be interesting (enough)? FortunateSons (talk) 17:56, 18 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • @Owenglyndur: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 13:58, 2 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
      •   Marking as rejected due to a lack of response from Owenglyndur. If they do not respond in the next few days, this can be closed as rejected. Z1720 (talk) 15:29, 10 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
        •   Z1720, it appears that Owenglyndur responded to your original post on their talk page on 5 May rather than here, and made a number of edits to the article that same day. Do issues remain? Also pinging original reviewer Grnrchst. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:34, 11 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
          • I'd be ok with passing this review now, as the biggest issues with the article and hook have been sufficiently addressed. There's still some bits that lack inline citations, but some of them make clear what they're citing in the text and others are rather minor things in larger paragraphs that contain inline citations elsewhere. --Grnrchst (talk) 08:11, 11 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
            • @Grnrchst and Owenglyndur: A hook cannot run at DYK with missing inline citations. This will need to be resolved. Z1720 (talk) 16:38, 11 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
              • Thanks for your comments i will work on them. I will let you know once its ready. So we will be able to publish the DYK then? Owenglyndur (talk) 07:42, 12 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Hook should be a Monty Python reference imo. (t · c) buidhe 03:19, 12 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • @Buidhe: absolutely :) i don't know the sketch well enough, but if you've got something in your back pocket, that'd be hilarious. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 19:24, 21 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • @Owenglyndur: it looks like there are still some missing inline citations. (Also, this article could use a stiff copyedit.) The nomination can move forward when the issues are addressed (although it does take a while), but could the issues be addressed within a week? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 19:22, 21 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
              • Thanks for you comment, i did what i could to correct the article, If it is still not enough, you can remove it from DYK status Owenglyndur

@Grnrchst: As the original reviewer, have your concerns been resolved, and is this hook approved? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 14:02, 28 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Z1720: Yes, my concerns have been resolved, as all of the paragraphs now have inline citations. I'm happy to approve this. --Grnrchst (talk) 09:21, 29 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Grnrchst: If this is approved, please add the green tick below. Z1720 (talk) 15:58, 29 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Grnrchst, Z1720, and Owenglyndur: I've noted some significant issues with verifiability on the article talk page, but they have not been addressed. I have not gone through the article with a fine-tooth comb so there may be other issues. Regrettably, as a Monty Python hook would have been fun, I do not think the article is ready to be approved. Richard Nevell (talk) 18:34, 29 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Retracted my pending approval, per Richard's comments. Looking at the talk page, there's definitely some major issues with it that are keeping this from being approved. --Grnrchst (talk) 09:13, 30 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on April 16 edit

Nama assemblage

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Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

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Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 07:20, 22 April 2024 (UTC).Reply

  •   Would you be able to clarify what is being stated in the second sentence of the "Biota" section? the middle portion regarding the 550ma seems to be out of place as currently written.--Kevmin § 21:44, 25 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi! I agree it wasn't the clearest way to word it. The Nama Assemblage is often defined chronologically (as the fauna from ~550 to ~539 million years ago, or from the first appearance of Cloudina to the first appearance of Treptichnus), but sometimes on the basis of fauna, with holdover fauna from the previous epochs not being considered part of it, with the chronological definition then called "Terminal Ediacaran biozone". It was mostly to explain why some of the fauna isn't always considered Nama, but that could be further expanded instead in the "Definition" section. I have plans for further expansion of the article (currently in User:Chaotic Enby/sandbox), and I will be happy to reorganize the article and expand it further if needed. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 22:02, 25 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Kevmin: Based on the above, can this be approved? If not, what needs to happen to get approval? Z1720 (talk) 14:08, 2 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  The sentence in the article is still a bit hard to parse for anyone reading it for the first time, but it does conform to the sources used. The article is new enough and long enough, with reliable sourcing and no close paraphrasing identified. I think we are good to go at this point.--Kevmin § 19:51, 2 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

  @Chaotic Enby, Kevmin, Z1720, and AirshipJungleman29: sorry for last minute pull, I checked this set earlier today but only just had access to a computer to edit... I have to say it took me a long time to figure out what was going on with this hook, it doesn't seem to bear that much resemblance to anything that's in the article at first glance. After reading some of the linked articles and based on what Kevmin says on the nom page above, I assume the sentence we're looking at for this one is "The Nama assemblage is bounded from the earlier White Sea assemblage and later Cambrian period by two major episodes of faunal turnover, considered to be pulses of the end-Ediacaran extinction". But I think there are several issues with this that make it not compliant with WP:DYKHOOK at the moment, in that there are aspects of the hook not found in the linked bolded article. Firstly, the hook links to Vendobionta, with no corresponding link to that page in the article; and it pipes that link to "enigmatic early animals", again something not discussed here. Secondly, the last part of the hook says "right before most groups of animals alive today appeared" with a link to Cambrian explosion, once again a mentioned fact and a link not found directly in the article. We know it's the Cambrian period from the article, but would also need to directly say and cite that this means when most groups of animals alive today appeared. I suspect this could be corrected with a few choice cited additions to the article, but would like to see this before we run it on the main page rather than later. A good interesting article anyway, I didn't know anything about this. Cheers!  — Amakuru (talk) 22:10, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the reply, I still have a lot of stuff I plan to add to the article (including a whole section about how the Nama relates to the Cambrian explosion, cf studies such as Darroch et al. 2018) so I probably missed that not everything was in the blurb yet. I'll try to add all of this asap! Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 08:49, 17 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Chaotic Enby, it's been over three weeks since your last post and the article remains unchanged, though you have been very active on Wikipedia in the interim. If you wish to continue this nomination, please address the issues raised above in the next seven days. Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks, I'm sorry, I completely forgot about this! I'll try to do it tomorrow. Thanks a lot for the reminder! Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 21:49, 9 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on April 19 edit

Georgi Romanov

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Blaylockjam10 (talk) 23:50, 26 April 2024 (UTC).Reply

@Bruxton: It’s under “Regular Season (Complete Stats)”. It looks like it may only be visible on a computer. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 11:33, 2 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Looks like I need a premium membership to view. I will leave this to another reviewer. Bruxton (talk) 04:02, 4 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
If "S TEAM LEAGUE GP GD GAA SV% GA SV SO W-L-T TOI" and "2022-23 Avtomobilist Yekaterinburg KHL 1 4 - - - - 0 0-0-1 0:00" means what I think it means, then a) you don't need a premium membership to view and b) I think the hook checks out with the source, depending on what "W-L-T" means, although I haven't yet looked at the article. I'm a bit worried about the phrases "submit stats/facts" and "edit profile" I found on the source - what makes it reliable?--Launchballer 11:57, 4 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Launchballer I saw the same, which made me feel like it was a contributor site. Honestly I was just lost on that page. I think W is win L is loss and T is tie. It is a clever hook which drew me to the nomination, but then I found myself lost for a half hour clicking on pull down menus until I got to a paywall. @BeanieFan11: may be able to help. Bruxton (talk) 14:55, 4 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'm not seeing the TOI part of the Elite Prospects link but based on how he played in the game that would make sense. NHL says that he was the goaltender for only the shootout portion in his only game, which would mean that he "officially" had zero minutes since the shootout isn't timed. (Also, I've come across Elite Prospects a number of times – they seem pretty reliable (don't think I've seen an incorrect stat, although I've only used them in writing ~10 hockey articles) and seem to have a staff – also cited ~20,000 times). I'd say it's good for approving as long as the article itself is fine. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:08, 4 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  •   Blaylockjam10 I located the minutes played after being guided. Earwig determined that there is some minor WP:CLOP which needs to be addressed. Also probably not a DYK issue, but consider that we probably do not need a section for three words - it should be combined somewhere. Also the lead should introduce/summarize more of the article; right now it is a single sentence. The hook is interesting and the article is neutral with the correct inline citations. Created on April 19 nominated April 26 so the article is new enough and with 2344 the article is long enough. Bruxton (talk) 18:52, 4 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  •   Sorry for the delay. Earwig is at 16.7% - clop was addressed. Personal life was expanded a bit more and the lead is now two sentences. Two sentences are close to a source, but I think we have addressed enough for a pass. Might make a good   This might make a good quirky hook.(?) Bruxton (talk) 18:57, 30 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Blaylockjam10 and Bruxton: As written this article would deserve {{prose}} and {{subsections}}, and single-sentence WP:PARAGRAPHs should be avoided - could this be remedied?--Launchballer 14:28, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Its not written in list format? I also don't see the need of having a bunch of subsections in this brief article and how one would appropriately do it? BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:55, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
It reads like one, see WP:PROSELINE.--Launchballer 15:04, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Launchballer and BeanieFan11: I agree that the article could be improved by combining sentences and I usually push for MOS changes, but many are not required by WP:DYKCRIT. Regarding sections, we sometimes feature single paragraph articles at DYK. I will go through it and also ping AirshipJungleman29 to see if they have an opinion. Bruxton (talk) 20:12, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Articles should be free from dispute tags. If an article deserves one, it can't run per WP:DYKTAG.--Launchballer 20:19, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
None of {{prose}}, {{subsections}} or {{too many sections}} are listed at Wikipedia:Template index/Disputes; I think Bruxton's alterations are sufficient. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:21, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
My concern has been resolved.--Launchballer 20:55, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Blaylockjam10, Bruxton, and AirshipJungleman29:   I'm not quite happy with the sourcing on the hook and article here. A fair amount of this article is sourced to this non-independent source and this stat block, both of which feel very less-than-DUE. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 09:21, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

  • I think his statistics and how he performed with his different teams is absolutely worth being mentioned in the article – whether or not its sourced to NHL.com. If we remove everything sourced to those we'd end up with only random portions of text without an accurate summary of his career – which I don't think would make sense. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:34, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • If you're right that the secondary independent sources don't come near giving a cohesive picture of the subject, I would honestly question how they could confer notability. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 20:42, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • From a source analysis, sources 1 and 7 are non-independent, while sources 2–6 and 8 (5 is borderline) don't provide significant coverage. I've notability-tagged the article. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 20:46, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
      • I don't think there's a question of notability – he's an NHL goaltender and there's a decent amount of coverage, e.g. this – what I am saying is that by using solely news sources we wouldn't get nearly as good a picture of his career as we would by also using sources such as NHL.com, which help paint the fuller picture. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
        • Fair enough, but I think that we can't reasonably call this article a pass unless we use as many of the SIRS as are helpful and then use the non-independent sources to fill in the gaps where we have to. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 22:20, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply


Articles created/expanded on April 24 edit

Chris Tanasale

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Created by Juxlos (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 225 past nominations.

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Juxlos (talk) 05:48, 1 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  •   New enough, long enough, well written, hook is verified and interesting, no plagiarism, QPQ done. I'm not entirely sure that the image is correctly licensed, but in any case it is not used with the hook. Dahn (talk) 09:29, 3 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

  @Juxlos, Dahn, and AirshipJungleman29: sorry for last minute pull, I checked this set earlier today but only just had access to a computer to edit... anyway, the issue is there seems to be a chronological issue with this hook, based on what's in the article. The hook begins with "that during a period of religious tensions...", with a link to Maluku sectarian conflict, which is described as being from 1999 to 2002, but then it says he was "selected as the mayor of Ambon, Indonesia, to placate local Christians", something which took place in 1996. So it can't have been during the Maluku conflict. The article goes on to say that this was during his tenure. If there was already tension in 1996, then we probably need to spell that out in the article to use it in the hook and also not link to a specific conflict that took place later. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 21:55, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Amakuru: I suppose that will count as OR in the hook. Maybe we can go with a half-hook instead?
  • ALT1: ... that military officer Chris Tanasale was selected as mayor of Ambon, Indonesia to placate local Christians?
Juxlos (talk) 01:01, 17 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Dahn: As the original approver, can you confirm if the above hook is approved, and if this article is good to go? @Amakuru: Is the above hook acceptable to you? Z1720 (talk) 00:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
  Approving new hook, and sorry for not catching that. Dahn (talk) 03:45, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply


Articles created/expanded on April 25 edit

DarkZero Esports

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Created by Soulbust (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 34 past nominations.

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Soulbust (talk) 12:55, 2 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

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  • Interesting:   - n
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   I don't think either hooks are that interesting. Can you come up with something else? Perhaps you could mention that they won $500,000, I suppose. BorgQueen (talk) 20:15, 18 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

    • @Soulbust: pinging. BorgQueen (talk) 20:20, 18 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
      • @BorgQueen: didn't see this notif for some reason. I personally don't find the financials/monetary aspect of these sorts of things interesting at all. I thought ALT1 was kinda conceptually funny, the fact that the team was still so freshly signed when they won the tournament that DZ hadn't even given them player bios on their website yet. Idk. I'll see what I can do, but will be adding the $500,000 win into the actual article as that info is currently not included. Soulbust (talk) 01:44, 21 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • @BorgQueen: Does the above satisfy your concerns? If not, are there any other aspects that you think Soulbust can create a hook from? Z1720 (talk) 00:31, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Per the above request. Z1720 (talk) 00:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Lunch (song)

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Converted from a redirect by PSA (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 17 past nominations.

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‍  PSA 🏕️  (talk) 03:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC).Reply

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
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  • Interesting:  
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   Generally well-written, sources are okay, hook is interesting. Just a small recommendation, links to Rolling Stone and Coachella 2024 can be added. Good to go! Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 11:10, 26 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hooks must not be likely to change, and that album's probably going to come out. (Probably.)--Launchballer 23:15, 8 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Well, it's released now @Launchballer so...

PSA 🏕️🪐 (please make some noise...) 03:24, 17 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Fine by me.--Launchballer 06:50, 17 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

  @PSA, Prince of Erebor, Launchballer, Geni, Kusma, and Z1720: reopening this nom page per discussion at WT:DYK. I personally agree with the sentiment expressed there that including mention of Eilish's sexuality is not suitable for the main page, when she's explicitly said she doesn't accept the concept of outing. Suggest we go with Kusma's alt or something else. Full discussion to be copied below.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:18, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

 –  — Amakuru (talk) 20:21, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Currently in prep 7. Hook doesn't appear to be neutral. If I'm reading the sources correctly Eilish is rejecting the term outing which the hook uses.©Geni (talk) 05:35, 23 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
My reading of the sources is that Eilish is objecting to actually being outed; if she had a problem with the term, she wouldn't have used it in the Instagram post mentioned in the Background section.--Launchballer 14:30, 23 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
From what I read in the source [3], she said "i like boys and girls leave me alone about it please literally who cares." so I am not sure focussing on her sexuality (instead of on the song) is appropriate for the Main Page. —Kusma (talk) 14:46, 23 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
"Alt2 ... that Billie Eilish included a song about lesbian sex on her third album?"--Launchballer 14:58, 23 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Not very hooky but its really up to @User:PSA in terms of what they want to do.©Geni (talk) 08:48, 24 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Launchballer @Kusma @Geni:
Alt3 ... that Billie Eilish included a song about lesbian sex on her third album after gradually becoming more public about her sapphism? PSA 🏕️🪐 (please make some noise...) 02:17, 25 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I prefer Launchballer's version because it does not talk about Eilish's sexuality in the hook. —Kusma (talk) 05:52, 25 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
From the gay times article "Eilish also criticised the notion that a person has to ‘come out’ as queer" I read that has Eilish rejecting the term.©Geni (talk) 08:48, 24 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
It's more like "no one has to feel pressured to tell people theyre LGBT" to me. not necessarily a rejection of the concept PSA 🏕️🪐 (please make some noise...) 08:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Well perhaps. In practice Z1720 aproved the hook some time ago so its all moot at this point.©Geni (talk) 19:33, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
What else needs to be done to this?--Launchballer 17:23, 31 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  New reviewer needed on the hook issue. I've just struck all the hooks that talk about outing or sapphism; there's enough disagreement about including these in the hook (which I agree with) that it isn't going to fly, much though others still want to include it. Whatever Z1720 may have approved in the past, we're clearly past that point now. The only hook left seems to be Launchballer's above, which Geni described as "not very hooky"; maybe a new hook with a different approach is needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

How about:

©Geni (talk) 19:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

My proposal:

none of it directly mentions Eilish's sexual orientation so I hope this should be okay . PSA 🏕️🪐 (please make some noise...) 01:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Something for the promoter:

  • "Alt3a ... that Billie Eilish first served Lunch during a secret DJ set?" --evrik (talk) 02:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
    •   I don't see how Alt3a is backed up by the Vulture source; while it talks about a "DJ set" (and do we really expect people to know what that even means? it's certainly not a commonly understood term, so it makes for a confusing hook rather than an interesting one), Vulture never uses the term "secret"—©Geni, I think this needs to be revised in the article, and evrik, I've struck both variants of this second Alt3 hook because of this problem. PSA, thanks for trying with Alt4, but I'm unconvinced by the comparison of the song to the Stonewall riots: Allison Hope makes a comparison to one prominent person at Stonewall, and it feels like the article has cherry-picked this particular bit from the CNN story for the purpose of creating a hook (and not bothered to quote "provocative" there while doing so in the hook, a no-no). I do hope something can be found; there might be something in this CNN opinion piece that can be used—perhaps the "confrontational" nature to a figure from Stonewall—but given how the piece centers on "queer-centered sexuality", that may well be too difficult to maneuver around. Maybe there's something else out there? evrik, I suggest that you bow out of reviewing any further hooks for this article, since you've approved several that have issues that should have been picked up on, not given ticks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • "Alt3b ... that Billie Eilish first served Lunch during a private party at Coachella?"Gonzalez, Alex. "Billie Eilish Previewed A New Song, 'Lunch,' During Coachella And Its Lyrics Are So Explicit Fans Are Having Fits Online". Uproxx. --evrik (talk) 03:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
      • @BlueMoonset: i'm not sure I can parse what's happening. The intention was to highlight "the 'confrontational' nature to a figure from Stonewall" as you put it, but the hook kind of already does that? I think we should just edit the hook to match that wording more:
Alt4a "that the 'confrontational' nature of one Billie Eilish song was compared to a prominent figure of the Stonewall riots?
Also, no offense, but I, as a queer person myself, do not get why we're so hung-up on absolutely not mentioning Eilish's sexual orientation when she's been open about it so many times. I must be missing something here. PSA 🏕️🪐 (please make some noise...) 03:45, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on April 26 edit

Hong Kong v Inter Miami

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  • Comment: This is my first DYK nomination so please remind me if there is anything missing or should be improved. Thanks.
Created by Cypp0847 (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

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~~ J. Dann 15:04, 28 April 2024 (UTC).Reply

  •   What a ride that article was. QPQ not needed. Earwig has a high score for copyvio detection, but that's entirely due to Messi's paragraph-long statement in the "Departure and Japan trip" section, which has an inline citation to the flagged source. Referencing is adequate and length/newness criteria fulfilled. Hook is definitely interesting and cited in source, not cited inline as exact phrasing but separately so. Good to go. Juxlos (talk) 10:13, 1 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
    •   @Cypp0847 and Juxlos: I have tagged the article for copyediting, as there are grammar-related issues throughout the article (tenses, for instance, are very often incorrect). This needs to be resolved before a DYK run. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 01:39, 9 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
      • @Cypp0847: any progress on addressing the prose issues? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 19:28, 21 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
      • FYI, I'm working on a copyedit and will try to have it posted later today or tomorrow. – Reidgreg (talk) 18:21, 26 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
      • Okay, finished my copyedit. I removed the flag icons per MOS:FLAG and shortened one of the really long quotations. The infobox image, while taken from a video released under CC, contains elements which are definitely under copyright. I suggest taking a low-resolution version (100k pixels) and moving it to en.wiki with a fair use rationale, and using that. Please ping me (here or elsewhere) if you have any questions regarding my edits. – Reidgreg (talk) 05:27, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
        • @Juxlos and AirshipJungleman29: Reidgreg has indicated above that the copyright concerns have been resolved. Can you confirm this, and give this a green tick? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 00:32, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
          • To be clear, I addressed the copyediting concerns, not copyright. – Reidgreg (talk) 03:15, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

The Skeptical Environmentalist

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Improved to Good Article status by Arcahaeoindris (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 10 past nominations.

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Arcahaeoindris (talk) 22:41, 26 April 2024 (UTC).Reply

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited:  
  • Interesting:  
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   A newly promoted GA which received an appropriate review during the GAN. Overall, everything looks good for ALT0, which I think is definitely the strongest option. I'd make a few tweaks to the wording, though, to make it more concise, define "pie" (since it's not that common as a verb), and remove the identity of the thrower (which doesn't add much as not too many readers will know who he is). That leaves us with ALT0a: ...that an environmentalist threw a pie in the face of the author of The Skeptical Environmentalist? If that works for you, this should be good to go. Sdkb talk 01:22, 7 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Thank you, @Sdkb:! Your proposed alt is fine with me :) Arcahaeoindris (talk) 09:02, 10 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'm getting WP:false balance vibes from ALT0. Views sounds like an opinion, rather than misinformation. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 17:02, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT0a presumably resolves that, though, Femke. I'll cross out ALT0 to make it clearer. Sdkb talk 17:24, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
yeah, you're right, should have noticed that, sorry. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 17:32, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

 After no response to my notice on WT:DYK, I have pulled the hook due to unsourced content. Z1720 (talk) 00:43, 25 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

 The creator of this nom has not edited since May 10. Unless someone adopts this nomination, I think this should be rejected as abandoned. Z1720 (talk) 00:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on April 28 edit

Lineage (anthropology)

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5x expanded by Me Da Wikipedian (talk).

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Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 10:43, 1 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

In the article, and sign your posts.--Launchballer 16:49, 1 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Needed to anyway for some minor stuff, how is it now? @Launchballer: Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 16:56, 1 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Still needs another 42 characters. You should consider installing WP:DYKcheck so you can check yourself.--Launchballer 17:05, 1 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Now added some stuff about the 2 types of ambilineal, which I may expand into there own sectrions at some point. Hows this now @Launchballer: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Me Da Wikipedian (talk • contribs)
  How are you remembering to put my username in your comments and not- anyway, length requirement met. Full review needed.--Launchballer 20:33, 1 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Can you do said review, and if not who and when will do it @Launchballer:Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 21:40, 1 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
It won't be me any time soon, I have a policy of doing my QPQs oldest first. Any other editor is free to review this in the interim.--Launchballer 07:33, 2 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited:  
  • Interesting:   - n
QPQ: None required.

Overall:   Nominated in time. 5x expansion. No QPQ need. Current hook as written is not reflected in the text of the article. Another hook please. --evrik (talk) 01:45, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

  •   Nom is blocked and based on behavior likely a sock (but I haven't figured out who yet). Not to mention multiple issues with submission noted above. We have enough work to do, we don't need to be wasting time on this. RoySmith (talk) 16:45, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I can however respond, here, and I will. It was in the article when it was submitted. Anyways, here is a new one:Did you know that lineages often have religious significance, determining ones religion and there role in that religion
https://collegeofarms.euclid.int/tracing-roots-the-significance-of-family-trees-in-traditional-societies/
. Also, I do not appreciate unfounded allegations by @RoySmith: that I am wasting their time and a sock. Thank you. @Evrik @Me Da Wikipedian: (talk) 20:49, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

I am posting the above from this this post. The user has suggested:

  • Alt2 ... that lineages often have religious significance, determining ones religion and their role in that religion?
Source: "Links between childhood religious upbringing and current religious identity". Pew Research Center. -
I am AGF that this user will be welcomed back to the fold.   --evrik (talk) 21:35, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • @AirshipJungleman29: my apologies if I have caused some confusion or consternation. Once the author posted an alternate hook I found reasonable, I considered the discussion there moot. Also, in fairness, I archived a bunch of discussions at the same time. As for the comments made by @Rjjiii:, well I didn't consider them negative as much as a suggestion. Honestly, I think the piece was overcited. I did read the passage and thought it matched the citations listed. I have changed one word and I think it all matches up. Hope this addresses your concerns. --evrik (talk) 04:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Me Da Wikipedian:, where does the cited source discuss religion? Rjjiii (talk) 00:20, 17 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

their reply Rjjiii (talk) 01:47, 17 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  •   I'm going to put this out there for a new review. --evrik (talk) 04:56, 17 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

  I read through the article and made the following notes with quotes from the 17 May 2024 version of Lineage (anthropology):

  • The topic is "in anthropology", the study of humanity, but "apical ancestor" is piped to common descent which would imply that there are multiple species of humans.
  • Sentences are so complicated that they will be difficult to parse for many readers, including the sentences in the lead paragraph.
  • "apical ancestor" is never glossed or mentioned in the linked article.
  • Some statements seem to be contradicted by their cited sources. The Hmong source seems to be saying something different than the Wikipedia article.
  • Are those 4 people members of a matrilineal society? The description on commons doesn't go into that kind of depth.
  • "matrilineage" is (incorrectly?) capitalized once, used (incorrectly?) as an adjective once, and used as a countable or uncountable noun.
  • "her children's children" this should be "her daughters' children" right? It's also a somewhat confusing way to phrase it.
  • The gerund phrase "being a Jew in the Jewish religion" is another phrasing that is hard to parse.
  • "such as much of South East Asia" is cited to a topic index page on Britannica. The "matrilineal society" article on Britannica says, "Matrilineal societies are found in various places around the world, such as in parts of Africa, Southeast Asia, and India."[4] Are unilineal kinship groups in general more common there?
  • Is bilateral descent a type of lineage? The Wikipedia article says a lineage is unilineal in the lead. The sentence indicating that an ambilineal lineage can be bilateral descent is cited to 3 glossary entries.
  • The Wikipedia article says "Ambilineal lineages are relatively rare in more under-developed societies, such as South East Asia" and the cited source says "In ambilineal societies, which are most common in Southeast Asian countries,".[5]
  • The Wikipedia article says "very common in modernized societies, such as the United States and Western Europe." but the cited source says "most people in the United States look to both their father’s and mother’s sides"[6] That's bilateral descent.
  • "Bilineal" has at least two meanings and it's not clear how it's being used here.
  • It's not clear what "The structure of lineages" refers to.
  • Parts of the article are cited to reliable sources, but large portions are also cited to dictionaries, glossaries, and topic indexes.

I think there too many issues to resolve, and it would require rewriting large portions of the article. Rjjiii (talk) 21:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on April 29 edit

Daniela Kerck

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Created by Gerda Arendt (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 2104 past nominations.

Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.

Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:18, 6 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  •   The article is new enough and long enough. It is properly sourced. Earwig detects some close paraphrasing with this site, so that will need to be resolved before the nomination can be approved. QPQ pending. The hook itself is interesting, but it's a little on the long side and I wonder if it could be simplified to simply:
ALT0a ... that when Daniela Kerck directed Giacomo Puccini's Turandot in 2024, she played the opera unfinished as it was when Puccini died in 1924?
I included Puccini's full name in the hook as he may not be a composer that is known by name among most readers unlike say Mozart or Beethoven. Apart from the close paraphrasing, my main concern with the article right now is the wording of the hook supporting sentences.

She directed Puccini's Turandot in her sets for the 2024 Internationale Maifestspiele, conducted by Yoel Gamzou. She decided to use none of the three completions of Puccini's opera that was unfinished when he died in 1924. She identified the Prince with the composer. When he died in the end, the beginning of his Requiem was performed.

It's a bit confusing to get how the hook is connected to this excerpt, though I think the issue here is more about wording, so a copyedit to make the article or at least the passage flow better might solve the issue. Pinging 4meter4 for help in copyediting the article so that the passage would more clearly support the hook. As an aside, the reference supporting the hook needs to be after "when he died in 1924" rather than after the mention of the Requiem.
I would also like to ask 4meter4 how significant Kerck's directing of this particular performance is or how significant the Internationale Maifestspiele is in the world of opera, but this would not affect the nomination but rather is just a request for additional context. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:31, 8 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Didn't you say you review my nominations only when they have lingered for weeks? Kindly read the article about the festival, - it was founded after the model of the Bayreuth Festival in the 19th century. Anna Netrebko came to sing Turandot during the festival. [8][9] - Puccini is probably better known than Mozart due to La bohéme. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:16, 8 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@ Narutolovehinata5 The Internationale Maifestspiele is a respected and long standing opera festival that draws a sizable international crowd (typically around 20,000 people+). It is one of the more important opera festivals in Germany, although it isn't as famous as the Bayreuth Festival which is on another level and is probably the most famous opera festival in the world. The Internationale Maifestspiele would be known by anyone who follows opera seriously in Europe, and would probably be immediately recognizable to most people living in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, and parts of France (the German speaking parts along the French/German border). I don't think the average person outside of those countries would find it immediately recognizable, but that shouldn't preclude using it in the hook. Turandot is a very famous opera, and even people only nominally familiar with opera would probably either know the name or recognize some of its music. Most people would know Nessun dorma for example which has played in the soundtracks of many films and tv shows, and has been performed on numerous singing competition programs internationally.4meter4 (talk) 17:13, 8 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  •   The hook fact is not accurate in either version of the hook. The opera was not played "unfinished" but ends with the death of Liu by design. There's a long discussion with the director at https://www.staatstheater-wiesbaden.de/download/42624/hsw_ph_turandot_rz_digital_240404.pdf about the crafting of a new ending by Kerck. If one reads through the program they make an argument about why the opera should end with Liu's death, and how Kerck utilized notes and sketches by Puccini to rework a new ending that ends in that place. In other words, we shouldn't suggest that the opera just leaves off where Puccini stopped, because that isn't what this production did. Nor should we call it "unfinished" because it was given a re-worked ending designed by Kerck based on notes left by Puccini and incorporating portions of Puccini's 1905 Requiem. I also note that it is called a "new ending" in the Frankfurter Rundschau review that is cited.
I also have an issue with the original hook because it seems to say she was 'directing through scenic design' as opposed to staging the production. She staged it and she designed the sets and that isn't at all clear in the first hook. Lastly, the article currently fails the WP:BLPSOURCES guideline because the biographical content is sourced to an opera company website that employs Kerck. @Gerda Arendt this is a repeating problem. Stop using opera company and orchestra website artist bios to write articles. These are not independent sources, and our policies on BLPs require "high quality" (ie independent) sources. That's not negotiable.
Finally, the last two sentences of the article are very confusing to anybody not familiar with Turandot, and is obviously in error to those who are. The character of the prince (ie Calaf) needs to be explained. Further the text asserts the prince dies and is being conflated with Puccini's death, but Calaf doesn't die in the opera, Liu does. That whole bit seems confusing and to be in error. It doesn't really grasp what the sources are saying accurately. There needs to be plot context, and discussion of the autobiographical nature of Puccini's interaction with the characters from events in his life in order to make it understood what Kerck was actually doing with her original ending which places Liu and her death (not the prince who remains very much alive) at the climax of the opera. @ Narutolovehinata5 If it is alright with you I am going to take over this review because of the factual errors in an area I have some knowledge in. 4meter4 (talk) 16:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
4meter4, thank you for clarifying festival and opera. - The hook: it took you several sentences to describe what she did (direct, design the stage, create a new ending with different music than usually ...), - could you kindly offer a wording in 200 chars, or help with it? I think we will have to mention that Puccini left the opera unfinished when he died in 1924 (the year needed because of the centenary), which leaves little room to say more, - I doubt that it's commonly known. How about saying that the performance leaves out the happy ending that he wasn't able to compose? Trying:
ALT2: ... that Daniela Kerck, scenic designer and stage director of Puccini's Turandot for the 2024 Internationale Maifestspiele, omitted the happy ending that the composer had not set to music when he died in 1924?
ALT2a: ... that Daniela Kerck, scenic designer and stage director of Turandot at the 2024 Internationale Maifestspiele, omitted the happy ending that Puccini had not composed when he died in 1924?
Other ideas welcome. - Which "biographical information" do you think is sourced to an opera company? - This is not yet a reply to the last paragraph, - we had an edit conflict, twice. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
After edit conflict: what I saw on stage was that after Liu's death, the Prince/Puccini moves to the grand piano, Turandot follows, kisses him, and he dies (called "Todeskuss" - kiss of death - in one of the reviews), - the new ending. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Gerda Arendt I think the tags I placed are self explanatory as to which sources are promotional non-independent sources. I'll take a look at the plot change leading to Calaf's death by looking through more sources. In reading the one interview with Kerck, she specifically emphasized Liu's death as her focus and pointedly named the Prince as complicit in her death through his silence. Regardless, it would seem killing off the prince at the end rather than having him end happily with Turandot would be a hooky fact. I think the emphasis of the hook should de-emphasize Puccini and focus more on Kerck and her original work. The hook language should not cram too many facts in, but should be a focused sentence on a single fact.4meter4 (talk) 21:42, 8 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I made some changes, adding sources, and dropping the details at the end that you found confusing. I added a newspaper ref for the nomination for the Opera Award. Only, it's subscription only, so I left the University ref for the same fact - that people can actually read - also. (I also don't see that what a university reports about an alumna is "promotional.") I need sleep, and tomorrow is a feast day. Patience please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 8 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@ Gerda, I was able to find more detail in this review which confirms the kiss of death https://magazin.klassik.com/konzerte/reviews.cfm?TASK=review&PID=8178. I would suggest incorporating more detail into Kerck's article highlighting specific changes to the story between her ending and the other traditional endings. A good hook could read something like this: Alt3 ... that Daniela Kerck's new ending to Puccini's Turandot reenvisioned Turandot giving the prince the kiss of death rather than proclaiming her love?4meter4 (talk) 22:20, 8 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@4meter4: I'm okay with you taking over the review, but given that Puccini isn't a household name and not everyone may know who he is, I'd suggest that any hook mentioning him give his full name. I'll leave it to another reviewer as to whether or not ALT3 is okay but personally I'm not a fan of it since it assumes knowledge of the opera, which not all readers may have. My preference would be more towards some variation of ALT2's hook fact as it seems less specialist. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Narutolovehinata5 I would consider Puccini a household name and a commonly known figure. He is a seminal composer in the western canon and one of the most performed and recorded composers of all time, on the same level as Mozart, Wagner, Verdi, Bach, etc. Indeed, he gets performed more frequently than Wagner, placing third on the list of most performed composers, surpassing both Beethoven and Bach. I disagree that a full name is needed, or that Puccini could be considered in any way an obscure figure. His operas are ubiquitously performed globally and have been for over a century. According to opera base, in the year 2024 alone there are 681 different professional productions of his operas being staged around the world, and that includes companies in Asia, North and South America, Australia, Africa, and Europe. That doesn't include the many orchestras and concerts that are programing his music as well in 2024. There are very few composers so widely performed across the world, and over such a long period of time. I would think most of our readers would know who Puccini is, and if they don't, they would be the exception. His arias even get sung and recorded by pop and rock singers on occasion which is rare for an opera composer. For example "Nessun dorma" from Turandot has been performed by Adam Lambert, Queen, Jennifer Hudson, Jeff Beck, Josh Groban, Manowar, and Michael Bolton among many other non-opera singers.4meter4 (talk) 03:35, 9 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
4meter4, thank you for taking the time! I'm off for the day but reading this when just checking the watch list made the day even better. Recommended listening [10], enjoy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:33, 9 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  •   Gerda Arendt unless I am missing something in the above lengthy discussion, you have not provided a QPQ. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:22, 13 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
    You of all people might have known that after returning from a good weekend trip, I first had to deal with the RD article of the day, and then with sourcing M. H.. I am not done (or am I, please check?), and before supplying a qpq, I'll have to source Kerck to your and 4meter4's liking, or not. What an opera company writes about its member is thought to be "promotional". Interesting. What I see is a list of roles. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:36, 13 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Yes, Gerda Arendt. All work products/publications by a performing arts organization are intended as a tool of promotion as well as a tool for information. Opera companies/theatres are businesses and they have an invested interest in promoting their company/theatre and its performers in order to sell tickets. There is a commercial aspect to the performing arts, and the materials that an opera company/theatre produces for public consumption are directly connected to its commercial interests. This is why we should avoid using sources produced by theatres/opera companies as much as possible. Artist bios are written by talent management and PR companies. Most professional singers have a paid talent agent who specializes in marketing opera singers, and those agents often write the bios hosted on theatre/opera company websites. Or the opera company/theatre itself will have an in house PR/marketing staff member responsible for writing those materials. There is therefore, a direct COI with these kinds of sources because they are written as a marketing tool for commercial gain. When possible, its best not to use PR materials of this type for ethical reasons.4meter4 (talk) 15:53, 13 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I don't know what you normally read, but I see that Oper Frankfurt and Hessisches Staatstheater write their own bios, and their own high-class program books. - German opera houses in general are public institutions, financed mostly by tax money. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:04, 13 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Gerda, it's not a completely publicly funded institution. They sell tickets and market their organization. End of story. The fact that they are writing their own content makes it WP:SELFPUBLISHED in addition to having a financial COI. We shouldn't be using materials like this other than in an external link for ethical reasons.4meter4 (talk) 17:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

I reviewed now Template:Did you know nominations/Richmond Theatre (Richmond, Virginia). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:30, 13 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

  • @4meter4 and Gerda Arendt: What is the current status of this nomination? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:09, 17 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
    The type of sources not accepted by 4meter4 is discussed in the deletion discussion of Magdalena Hinterdobler. I believe we should not run the two parallel but wait for that to close. I also have Pentecost coming up, going to sing, and with little time to provide additional sources. One thing is sure: I'll mostly turn to Bach's cantatas for the rest of the year. No more biographies of living people for a while. Kerck's story, however, is worth telling. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:06, 17 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Let us know when you are ready.4meter4 (talk) 01:56, 20 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Today is still Pentecost, singing in church, lunch with friends. I'll try to get to it tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:02, 20 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Today, I had to work on Requiem (Verdi) (premiere 22 May 1874), but interrupted for Kerck:
    I wrote a bit more about Turandot as an exotic story envisioned by a composer at his grand piano who dies over it. Please check. I still think that the kiss of life is just a small instance within this one piece. A hook should introduce to Kerck in general, I would prefer one that mentions a) that she is both director and scenic designer which is unusual, and b) that the storytelling of Turandot is not just some whimsical idea but is related to Puccini's death in 1924 over this opera. I tried that in ALT2, and miss it in your suggestion. Trying to please:
    ALT3: ... that Daniela Kerck, scenic designer and stage director of Puccini's Turandot at the 2024 Internationale Maifestspiele, identified the composer with the Prince, who receives a kiss of death from Turandot when the music he was able to write in 1924 ends?
    Wording help welcome, - too long, too complex ...
    Sources: I found a ref for the shortlist. However, I found no ref for some items - masterclasses, thesis - from the Staatstheater website. Are such things "promotional"? How, 4meter4? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:05, 21 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
    4meter4, I added another interview and several references about performances. There is now no instance where Hessisches Staatstheater is the only reference. Admittedly, the details mentioned above (teachers, masterclasses, thesis) rely on her website, but I see nothing contentious in these bits. What do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:09, 23 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
    ALT3 cannot be used as it is 252 characters long. I would suggest cutting down all the fat because it is simply too detailed. 4meter4 Do you have a way to shorten it? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:53, 24 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
    What in my "too complex, too long, wording help welcome" did you not understand? Could you help perhaps? Brutally short:
    ALT4: ... that Daniela Kerck, scenic designer and stage director of Puccini's Turandot at the 2024 Internationale Maifestspiele, identified the composer with the Prince?
    But 4meter4 liked the kiss of death. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:59, 25 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
    ALT5: ... that when Daniela Kerck directed and designed the scene for Turandot, Puccini's 1924 unfinished opera, for the 2024 International May Festival, she identified the Unknown Prince with the composer?
    ALTs 3 to 5 are material to play with. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:09, 25 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Comment. Gerda, I don't think the whole identifying the composer with the prince fact is working. It's too esoteric, and requires knowledge of the opera and composer to make it interesting. It's probably best to simplify this for a general audience. Perhaps say ....Alt6 ... that for the 2024 Internationale Maifestspiele, stage director and scenic designer Daniela Kerck crafted a new ending to Puccini's unfinished opera Turandot? This is factually accurate, and doesn't require a working knowledge of the opera to understand it. I struck rejected hooks above. If you like this one Gerda, I'll have to ask someone else to approve it.4meter4 (talk) 18:18, 26 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
    I don't like it but I can live with it. I'd prefer mentioning that it was in 1924 that the opera was left unfinished. I thought that the mysterious "Unknown Prince" would raise curiosity, even from someone not particularly interest in opera. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:28, 26 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I think the 1924 date requires too much context to fit in with all the other facts, and given the opera premiered in 1926 it would be controversial to simply slap a parenthetical 1924 after Turandot. Since I wrote Alt6, I will have to request a new reviewer.4meter4 (talk) 19:37, 26 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

  New reviewer needed.4meter4 (talk) 19:38, 26 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

  @4meter4: I'm okay with ALT6, but the article still has the "better source needed" and "promotional source" tags. Those will need to be resolved before this can be approved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:25, 29 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Michael Bednarek, what do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:28, 29 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Gerda Arendt, that is WP:CANVASSING to ping someone to try and influence a DYK review.4meter4 (talk) 15:35, 29 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I don't see that, sorry. Narutolovehinata5 called you as an expert, I called Michael as an expert of which sources are acceptable. - What makes a reference promotional, its source or its content? - That is the question. I asked you - in a different case - to say what is promotional in a specific source, and still wait. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:57, 29 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
No Gerda, you specifically pinged a partisan editor who already expressed a controversial opinion at an AFD on these kinds of sources with the intent of influencing this discussion in your favor. WP:CANVASS says "Canvassing refers to notification done with the intention of influencing the outcome of a discussion in a particular way". You clearly pinged Michael because of his expressed opinions on these kinds of sources at AFD. Not cool to canvas people to influence a DYK review. Further, I was not canvassed. When I was pinged here, there was not an on-going dispute, and I was asked to assist in copy editing the article. Further, at DYK review it is ok for the a reviewer to ask for help /another set of eyes. It's different when you are the nominator and you are trying to get out of doing what a reviewer is telling you by pinging an editor you know is likely to challenge the opinion of the reviewer. That's canvassing and it's unethical. 4meter4 (talk) 00:52, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
You questioned not only my behaviour, but also my ethics, a second time. I am speechless. - Michael is on vacation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:11, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
  •   Given the sourcing issues remain unaddressed the nomination cannot move forward until that is sorted out. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:20, 4 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
    The kind of sourcing was just accepted for GA Magdalena Hinterdobler. You can call it primary, because it is mostly taken from the subject's personal website, but "promotional"? The Hessian State Theater says about her:
    Deniela Kerck studied Stage Design at the Academy of Fine arts in Vienna as a student of Erich Wonder. She received the Austrian Federal Ministry for Science and Culture's appreciation award for her diploma thesis "Every Room is the Centre of the World". Following her graduation, she worked as an assistant and collaborator with Erich Wonder at the Zurich Opera House, at the Bunka Kaikan in Tokyo, at the State Operas in Berlin and Munich, at La Scala in Milan under the direction of Peter Mussbach and Luc Bondy, and as an assistant director to Johannes Schaaf at the San Francisco War Memorial Opera and at the Aalto Theatre in Essen. Daniela Kerck has realised stage designs at the National Opera in Riga, the Schauspielhaus Wien, Théâtre du Châtelet Paris, Teatro Zarzuela in Madrid and Theater Luzern, among others. From 2014 - 2017, she studied music theatre direction at the University of Music in Karlsruhe with Prof. Andrea Raabe and Prof. Stephan Mösch, as well as attending master classes with Peter Konwitschny and Tatjana Gürbaca. She was a scholarship holder in Monique Wakemarkers' directing workshop at De Niederlande Opera and was a semi-finalist of the RingAward'15 for her interpretation of "Freischütz". She won first prize in the the European Opera Directing Award Competition for the opera "Rusalka", which was staged in Riga. In 2019 she staged the opera "Aida" at the Tyrolean Festival in Erl. Previous productions in Wiesbaden include the plays "Admissions" by Joshua Harmon, "The Minutes" by Tracy Letts and Jörg Widmann's opera "Babylon" as part of the 2022 International May Fesival. In 2022/23 she directs a new production of Dvořák's "Rusalka" (alongside Olesya Golovneva), as well as the world premiere of Søren Nils Eichberg's opera "Oryx and Crake", based on the novel by Margaret Atwood.
    Please let me know, anybody:
    • What do you find promotional in this entry?
    • Is that even cited in the article?
    Always learning, ---Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:51, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
    I looked now at the article and see that the questioned source is now never used alone but always confirmed by another. We could please 4meter4 and put it in the external links corner. Only: it's the most concise summary in English, so a service to readers not reading German, - why would we hide that? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:01, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
    4meter4, Narutolovehinata5, do you understand what I explained? I'd really like to solve this here and not involve more people. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:21, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'm not the one who raised the issues regarding sourcing, 4meter4 did. However, if I were to guess, the issue is that it's not ideal for an article to be based primarily on primary sources, which mean sources directly affiliated with the subject. Personally I don't see it as a major issue especially for more niche topics where a wide variety of sources may be impractical to achieve, but it's something that other editors take more seriously. I can probably live with it personally, but other editors can be stricter about it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:03, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Narutolovehinata5 I already put this out to a new reviewer. I need to take a break from reviewing hooks by Gerda at DYK. It is too stressful. That said, Gerda seems to want to not follow WP:BLP policy which says we must "Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources" within articles on BLPs. I interpret this to mean we should never use sources closely connected to the subject when writing on BLPs because articles that lack independence can not be considered "high-quality". Additionally self published sources by the organizations employing the subject do not comply with BLP policy. WP:BLPSPS says we should "Never use self-published sources" within articles on BlPs. I don't see how you get around the fact that these sources are self published by the subject's employer. The fact of the matter is there are independent German language media sources that cover much of this same content, and its really just a matter of Gerda doing the work and adding sources we can use to verify the same material in addition to removing non-independent source as citiations (external links are fine). In other words, it's perfectly possible for Gerda to be policy compliant (which she pretty much stated above by acknowledging source overlap), but for whatever reason she is choosing not to. I don't think we should reward that type of behavior, particularly since we have a trail of contentious DYK nows and AFD noms revolving around Gerda's repeating use of non-independent self published sources on BLPs. The project needs to take a stand and send the message that we don't accept articles on BLPs built from self-published non-independent materials. This is my final comment on this. Please do not ping me to this conversation again. I need a wiki-break from this.4meter4 (talk) 01:06, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I think I can see the issue here now. The issue isn't necessarily about promotional sources but rather primary ones. Primary sources aren't necessarily wrong and there are times when they're perfectly acceptable if not required. In addition, primary sources aren't always promotional. However, the guidelines do state that whenever possible, articles should avoid being largely based on them.
Having said that, I'm not sure what 4meter4's issue with the article is. Looking at the article, most of it is already cited to independent sources like German newspapers. Only a few parts are cited to the source that has been tagged promotional, and in my opinion (as someone who freely uses primary sources in articles I write/expand), they seem to meet the guidelines (there's no reason to doubt their authenticity and they aren't making extraordinary claims). Maybe it's just me not being as much of an expert on opera as you or 4meter4 but I don't see what the issue is with the sourcing is. If there are no more issues I'm ready to approve ALT6, but just to be sure, I'll ask a second opinion from Launchballer regarding the sourcing only. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:29, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Narutolovehinata5 I disagree with your summation. What are artist bios written by theaters and who writes them? They are promotional tools used to advertise artists and they are written by PR firms either paid by the artist or by the theatre. They are written by people with a financial conflict of interest. These aren't primary sources either. Primary sources are "original materials created at the time or soon after a historical event". How can a biographic overview extending through time and written by a PR agent be a primary source? It can't because its detailing events across time, and not necessarily events that the PR agent/author writing the theatre bio was there to witness. These are self published secondary sources without an attributed bylined author and without cited sources. They are also not independent sources but are material written as promotional tool to sell tickets and promote the artist. This is not the kind of material that we can use at wikipedia because of the financial coi of the writer and publisher. See the linked policies above on mandatory quality standards on used sources on BLP pages. These sources are a BLP violation under WP:BLPSPS. One could make an argument that the sources comply with WP:BLPSELFPUB, but unfortunately I've often found these kinds of sources likely to contain errors or misrepresentations (such as resume padding). I'm not saying this particular theatre bio has any errors, but that in general I've learned to distrust this kind of document because I have found errors in other similar bios. If we can avoid using them (which we can), we should avoid using them.4meter4 (talk) 02:41, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

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  • Source: Ryan, John M. (19 October 2015). Food Fraud. 3.4.7 Weight Fraud: Academic Press. p. 39. ISBN 978-0-12-803398-2.
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Created by GobsPint (talk) and Pkgx (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

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GobsPint (talk) 00:55, 1 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  •   @GobsPint: - The weight fraud articles has been tagged by @Lovkal:. This needs to be resolved. --evrik (talk) 19:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
    I haven't had much luck finding articles explicitly spelling out scale weight fraud outside the US...though it evidently exits.GobsPint (talk) 21:41, 19 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  •   Article all looks good to me: long enough, new enough, citations look good, and no plagiarism found. However, this hook doesn't sound quite grammatically correct to me. How about: ... that putting pre-moistened meat diapers in case-ready meat is a form of weight fraud? Luiysia (talk) 17:02, 10 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on April 30 edit

List of roles and awards of Liza Soberano

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Liza Soberano
Created by Pseud 14 (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 36 past nominations.

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Pseud 14 (talk) 13:33, 1 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

I guess that's okay too, but do you have any additional suggestions? Article itself seems long enough and new enough at least. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:08, 17 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Not from this article, no. This is in itself a hook that has "international appeal" given it's a Hollywood debut for a Filipino actress, which is a rarity. Pseud 14 (talk) 15:27, 17 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  •   The article is new enough, long enough, is free of close paraphrasing, and is adequately sources. ALT1 (the only hook under consideration) is verified in the source and mentioned in the article. A QPQ ahs been done. I'm still not 100% sure if ALT1 works out in terms of interest or if additional hooks are needed, so I'm passing judgement on ALT1 to a third-party editor. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:02, 21 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • I would argue that there's nothing too unusual about a Filipino actress in Hollywood; the fact that she's not American is something, but foreign actors aren't exactly, well, foreign. (signed, an Angeleno, for what it's worth) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 02:40, 22 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'd probably have passed ALT1, but after reading Liza Soberano and this, I can suggest ALT2: ... that Liza Soberano (pictured), an actress described by media publications as among the most beautiful Filipino actresses of her generation, played an unattractive exchange student in Just the Way You Are? - but you would need to add that bit from Liza Soberano.--Launchballer 09:29, 22 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the suggestion Launchballer, I am unsure if adding the latter would work because it takes context out of the main article, instead of the nominated article for DYK, and honestly, I see little value of adding that bit on her roles and awards (as those publications are mostly listicles and generally don't count as awards). Having said that, Alt2 may be another iteration of Alt0 - which is a just another role she played. Thoughts? Pseud 14 (talk) 20:57, 22 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'd have thought the juxtaposition of a beautiful actress playing an unattractive exchange student would be interesting.--Launchballer 08:24, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  •   List is new, long, well sourced, neutral, and copyvio-free, as well as supported with a licensed image (which I doubt will make it to the Main Page). I concur with Narutolovehinata5 that none of the hooks is interesting; on ALT1, for instance, boldlinked article refers to the subject's acting credits, among others, yet only her so-called Hollywood breakthrough is singled out here, which makes her domestic roles inadequate in a way. This can be an interesting hook for a Lisa Frankenstein DYK, but certainly not for this one. Although QPQ has been given, another compelling hook is needed. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 07:44, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I can suggest some variant of "that Liza Soberano started her career as a teenager".--Launchballer 08:24, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
If this is your alt proposal, then I don't think it's gonna fly, either; it's not unusual for most (if not all) grown actors to start out at a young age. Are there any more? Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 09:43, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Alt3: ... that Liza Soberano began her acting career playing third wheel characters? Pseud 14 (talk) 20:21, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Alt4: ... that after starring in the highest-grossing film of her career, Liza Soberano was named Box Office Queen? Pseud 14 (talk) 20:21, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Alt3 seems interesting, but could use some tweaks,
Alt3a: ... that Liza Soberano's early acting roles include playing the third wheel in romance films? Source: [12]
  • If this is OK with you, just add an end-of-sentence citations on it so I can redirect this to another reviewer. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 21:43, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  ALT3a is short enough, sourced, and interesting. Let's roll.--Launchballer 23:11, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  I do apologize for the comment given that the nomination has already been approved, but I'm not very confident about ALT3a to be honest. If you're a Filipino (Soberano is a big name over here), ALT3a might be surprising especially for people who may not have followed her career as closely as super fans. However, to me at least, ALT3a is a bit reliant on knowing how big Soberano is, and an international reader might not get that context. Honestly I do think ALT2 was actually a better option. Yes it was a role hook, a kind of hook I have mixed opinions about, but the contrast does seem to catch attention and isn't as reliant on knowing about Philippine entertainment as much. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:09, 28 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
The argument doesn't make sense at all. You're looking from the lens of someone who knows Soberano and not from the POV of an unfamiliar reader. If you're a Filipino (Soberano is a big name over here), ALT3a might be surprising especially for people who may not have followed her career - this is exactly what the hook is for–to peak the interest of non-familiar/somewhat familiar readers about the article. This is not to cater to someone who already knows her or to "superfans", which makes your justification completely ironic, since your comment is from the perspective of someone who knows the subject. Having said that, the article is about her "roles and awards" and I don't see the relevance of incorporating her "perceived beauty" in it, which makes Alt2 a no go for me. The hook is supposed to be about her acting career not Soberano in general (or whether she is considered desirable or her appearance in a particular role). It should be fact about something interesting that she had done as an actress and I trust that the non-Filipino reviewers who have weighed in seem to think the latter alternative works. Pseud 14 (talk) 12:36, 28 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Narutolovehinata5 and Launchballer: To avoid lengthy discussions about which hooks are the most interesting, can someone indicate which hooks above are approved (ie pass the other criteria of DYK) and indicate their preference of interestingness? If there are multiple approved hooks, the promoter can decide which hook is the most interesting after reading the arguments above. If anyone has other hooks they would like to propose, they can do so below. Z1720 (talk) 00:39, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Right now the only approved hook is ALT3a. I thought ALT2 was a better option, but the nominator objected to it and in any case it's not supported in the article. The issue I had with ALT3a is that it's somewhat reliant on knowing that Soberano is currently known for doing leading roles but she started out doing third-wheel roles. That might be interesting to fans of her or those familiar with Filipino entertainment, but without that particular context the post isn't as obvious or as surprising. Having said that, despite the nom's comment above I still have reservations about ALT3a and would suggest not promoting or re-approving it without alternative wordings to ALT3a and/or additional hook proposals being proposed (this includes addressing the issue with ALT2). I'm not necessarily opposed to ALT3a's hook fact but I'm not a fan of it as currently worded. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:16, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on May 1 edit

Ditto Pölzl

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  • Source: Österreich in Geschichte und Literatur, Vol. 40-41. Stiasny Verlag, 1996. p. 157
Moved to mainspace by Soman (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 381 past nominations.

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Soman (talk) 12:14, 1 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited:   - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting:  
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   New enough, long enough, Earwig notes no notable copyvio. Hook is interesting but on an offline source (Österreich in Geschichte und Literatur, Vol. 40-41) so I am assuming good faith. QPQ is completed. Everything seems to check out! Ornithoptera (talk) 05:37, 7 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

  @Soman and Ornithoptera: This article needs a robust copy edit before it gets anywhere near the main page.--Launchballer 23:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Sorry, Launchballer, but you'd have to be more specific. If you have a problem with another editors tick, you should explain why. You've left drive-by comments on {toomanysections} on a number of DYK nominations in the recent past, is that the issue? --Soman (talk) 11:29, 26 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I think merging some of the sections would help. I need to go out, but I'll take another look when I get back.--Launchballer 11:37, 26 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Much of what was winding me up was the fact that many sentences were very short and jumped back and forth, I've merged some of the worst offenders. My "Early life" section header was based purely on the fact that two single-paragraph sections look odd next to two much larger sections, though I suppose this isn't a DYK issue.--Launchballer 09:47, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'd also question the WP:DYKINTerestingness of an Austrian politician being an Austrian politician.--Launchballer 10:13, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'm not sure this is the correct forum, but I disagree on applying {toomanysections} rigidly. There is no problem in itself to have sections with 3-4 sentences if and when the material in that section is sufficiently distinct from another section. Sections are supposed to help with readability, and lumping prose together to create larger sections is no goal in itself. In terms of your copy-editing, you are diverging from the source material, such as,
  • By mixing the age of joining SPO and being a leader of the left faction, makes it seem like he was a factional leader from the onset
  • We have no source for Polzl "joining" the municipal council (presumably he was elected, but we don't have a reference for the exact conditions of entry).
  • changing "upon" to "after" regarding his arrest gaves space to interpretation of the timeframe between return and arrest.
  • "he and many of its other members" is backed up by what source?
I'm not saying that there shouldn't be improvements in flow of prose, but copy-editing should not tamper with the referencing. In terms of DYKINTERESTING, I think the key element here is '1945'. This was not an ordinary period in the history of the country, and Polzl is the only Communist Party cadre that had been in the government prior to arrival of Soviet troops as well as remaining in the position after the British takeover. --Soman (talk) 17:22, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
All I did was reword the text as it appeared, I didn't check it against the references (I don't speak German). Re: "many of its other members", I've cut "many of its", but the article said "Within the Central Committee he was one of those that [...] argued that the party should resign from the Austrian government." - does this not mean that other members argued for it as well?--Launchballer 20:07, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I started to edit the wording and came across some phrasing where the meaning is not very clear like "In 1932, he took part in building the Jungfront movement, and in Graz he worked with Otto Fischer and Willy Scholz to challenge the party leadership control over the Jungfront.". Also, Soman you may want to double check that I've not inadvertently changed any meaning. Rjjiii (talk) 01:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Launchballer: I reviewed the article with the intention of performing a copyedit, but did not find any major concerns that needed to be fixed. I won't comment on the interestingness of the hook, but have all of your concerns been resolved? If not, what needs to happen to get this nomination approved? Z1720 (talk) 00:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply


Articles created/expanded on May 2 edit

Peewee Jarrett

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  • ... that Peewee Jarrett went from having no offers to play college football, a two-year span with no playing time, and being "set on quitting football", to signing into the National Football League?
Created by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 176 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  Long enough, new enough. Earwig's down, so AGFing, and QPQ done. The source says "Jarrett played seven games in an Ellsworth jersey before an injury shifted him to the bench." and Ellsworth is a college - am I missing something?--Launchballer 21:38, 9 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Bar Kokhba refuge caves

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The Cave of Letters at Nahal Hever, one of the Bar Kokhba refuge caves
  • Source: Eshel, Hanan; Zissu, Boaz (2019). "The Refuge Caves". The Bar Kokhba Revolt: The Archaeological Evidence. Jerusalem: Yad Izhak Ben-Zvi. pp. 62–64. ISBN 978-965-217-429-1
  • ALT1: ... that over 30 refuge caves, where Jewish families sought shelter from the Roman army during the Bar Kokhba revolt, were discovered in the Judaean Desert? Source: Eshel, Hanan; Zissu, Boaz (2019). "The Refuge Caves". The Bar Kokhba Revolt: The Archaeological Evidence. Jerusalem: Yad Izhak Ben-Zvi. pp. 62–64. ISBN 978-965-217-429-1
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Created by Mariamnei (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

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Mariamnei (talk) 08:03, 5 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • @Mariamnei: Please put a link to the DYK template that you reviewed for your QPQ next to the "Reviewed" line above, or link to it below. Thanks. Z1720 (talk) 23:14, 23 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Z1720:, here it is: [13] Mariamnei (talk) 18:37, 25 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
The article linked above is Template:Did you know nominations/Deir ed Darb. Z1720 (talk) 20:03, 25 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on May 4 edit

Qin Huasun

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Created by Toadboy123 (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 32 past nominations.

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Toadboy123 (talk) 12:33, 4 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  •   Not interesting and a coatrack, since Huasun is surely not the person who made these decisions. (t · c) buidhe 00:07, 7 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • @Buidhe: As Qin represented his country in the UNSC, he made the decision based on his country's political position. However, prior to 2011, China's vetoes in the UNSC were rare and only four times [14] were it used prior to the start of the 21st century. Since the mentioned vetoes were related to sending peacekeeping troops, it might be interesting as the users would look into the article to see why the peacekeeping resolutions were vetoed. However, if you any ideas for another hook in the article or if I should modify it in a certain phrasing, I am happy to consider that. - Toadboy123 (talk) 09:12, 7 May 2024 (UTC).Reply
      • Yes, I know how the UN works. Certainly the hook phrasing makes it sound like a coatrack. Frankly not all articles are suited for DYK and this one may not be. Peacekeeping is not inherently dull but UN resolutions can be, especially if there is no real information what the vote is really about. Furthermore, the article as it stands does not qualify due to sourcing. (t · c) buidhe 13:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
        • @Buidhe: Is there anything that I should do to improve the article such as adding more reliable sources or expanding the information regarding the reasons of the vetoed resolutions so that the article can be featured in DYK ? Or does the article does not have the information much needed for the DYK? I can improve the article based on your suggestions but if you feel there is no room for it in DYK then you can cancel this nomination. - Toadboy123 (talk) 02:26, 7 May 2024 (UTC).Reply
          • @Buidhe: I have added detailed information on the vetoed UN resolutions. Let me know if anything more has to be done. - Toadboy123 (talk) 06:56, 8 May 2024 (UTC).Reply
  •   Since I have not heard any response from the previous reviewer, can a new reviewer check the updates to the hook I made and if it is good to go? - Toadboy123 (talk) 03:59, 15 May 2024 (UTC).Reply
  Much to whinge about here I'm afraid. As written, the biography section would deserve {{subsections}}, and much of its early paragraphs can feel more than a bit WP:Proseline at times and would deserve {{prose}}. None of the hook has an end-of-sentence citation, and given that WP:CLUMP says that "more than three [references] should generally be avoided", I'm not going through four. Take your time, and ping me when these are remedied.--Launchballer 10:12, 15 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Launchballer: I have made the edits to the article based on the suggestions you made. Check and let me know if it is good to go now. - Toadboy123 (talk) 02:01, 16 May 2024 (UTC).Reply
It's a bit better, but you need a cite for "February 2000".--Launchballer 14:49, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Launchballer: Added citation. Let me know if all is good now. - Toadboy123 (talk) 03:36, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  Ready to roll.--Launchballer 08:15, 21 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  Pulled hook per interestingness of hook issue brought up at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Prep 2. SL93 (talk) 19:18, 26 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@SL93: In that case, you can terminate this hook. - Toadboy123 (talk) 02:50, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  Reopening per WT:DYK.--Launchballer 08:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Since this was pulled back from Prep with a hook issue, and there isn't an approved one on this page, this shouldn't be given a tick, Launchballer. I've struck the hook above per nominator Toadboy123, and directly below is the last part of the discussion from WT:DYK#Qin Huasun, followed by a restatement of the proposed hook. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:52, 31 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
How about:
... that Qin Huasun criticized Taiwan's bid to join the United Nations as a "brazen attempt ... aimed at splitting a sovereign state"? although https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/240758/files/A_52_255-EN.pdf would probably be a better source for that than what's there now. RoySmith (talk) 21:04, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'm getting 502 on the PDF, and I'd lose "aimed" for concision.--Launchballer 21:10, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
The link works for me. It does confirm the quote. Schwede66 00:08, 28 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'm fine with dropping the "aimed". In fact, it's better that way. RoySmith (talk) 00:57, 28 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
In that case, we can bring back the nomination of the article? Toadboy123 (talk) 05:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
From the above section, here's the hook ("aimed" dropped per discussion) with an ALT label:
  • ALT1: ... that Qin Huasun criticized Taiwan's bid to join the United Nations as a "brazen attempt ... at splitting a sovereign state"?
  New reviewer needed for ALT1. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:52, 31 May 2024 (UTC)Reply


Articles created/expanded on May 5 edit

Adnan al-Bursh

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Created by Makeandtoss (talk) and Iskandar323 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 41 past nominations.

Makeandtoss (talk) 13:24, 9 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • @Makeandtoss Is the part about dying in an Israeli prison really necessary? Also, hooks are not supposed to change, so I would recommend changing recently to something else. Also, way too much focus on his death. (In the article) 48JCL (talk) 22:26, 28 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • @Makeandtoss The fact that Adnan al-Bursh was head of orthopedics in a hospital is not "likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest".


Articles created/expanded on May 6 edit

Homeworld: Vast Reaches

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  • Source: "Homeworld: Vast Reaches is less a virtual reality reinvention of this legendary space RTS than it is an unsatisfying lite version for the Meta Quest 2 and 3." [15]
  • ALT1: ... that the mixed reality mode in the real-time strategy virtual reality game Homeworld: Vast Reaches allows virtual ships to fly around the player's room? Source: "I was impressed by the unexpected ease of playing the game, but I wasn’t blown away until we switched over to Mixed Reality. In Passthrough Mode on the Quest 3, the blackness of outer space disappears, replaced with the real-life environment you’re physically in. Suddenly, the hotel room where I demoed the game became the setting of a thrilling dogfight. A bomber swooped in front of the TV set while enemy ships soared over the bed. It was quite a sight, but it was also very confusing." [16]
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Fang Yi'ai
  • Comment: Prefer ALT1, but it's tough to make it work with WP:DYKFICTION – I've attempted to thread the needle here. If I need more ALTs, happy to pull them.
Created by Nomader (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 48 past nominations.

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Nomader (talk) 14:36, 6 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • @Nomader: How would you feel about the following?
ALT1a: ...that within the mixed reality mode of Homeworld: Vast Reaches ships seem to fly around the player's room? CSJJ104 (talk) 19:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@CSJJ104: I think that would be perfect (apologies for the delay!) – would address my DYKFICTION concerns! Nomader (talk) 18:38, 3 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on May 7 edit

Toro de fuego

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Toro de fuego in San Sebastián
5x expanded by Evrik (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 114 past nominations.

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--evrik (talk) 04:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • evrik, I don't think either hook is a good April Fools' candidate. I'm not sure I'd even use either as quirky. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:05, 8 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

evrik, I do not have full access to El Pais. Can you recheck the second paragraph of Background, the one on San Sebastián, to make sure that text is supported? Either way, I suggest adding more details from El Pais. The detail will help the article and provide good hooks. Sparks flying 1.5m from 30 running metal fire bulls; that's a hook. CMD (talk) 14:57, 11 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

  • CMD, I put the text here. The point may be moot as that section just got reorganized when I fixed the links. "Sparks flying 1.5 meters (4 ft 11 in) from 30 running metal fire bulls" - I'm thinking about it. --evrik (talk) 16:17, 11 May 2024 (UTC)Reply


Laura Veale

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  • Source: Several, including: Harrogate Advertiser: "Hampsthwaite commemorates North Yorkshire’s first female doctor Laura Sobey Veale". Note: This fact has had to be carefully interpreted. It was initially expressed as "the first Yorkshire woman to become a doctor" on the brown plaque, pictured in the article and written by the eminent Harrogate historian Malcolm Neesam. He meant "Yorkshire-born". However it has since been interpreted to mean that she was the first female doctor to practise in Yorkshire, which would be incorrect. Edith Pechey was the first qualified woman doctor to practise in Yorkshire, but she was born in Essex, so to local understanding she was definitely not a "Yorkshire woman" (they are very parochially-minded here). Veale was born in Yorkshire.
  • Reviewed: Sonja van den Ende
  • Comment: Created in userspace over some weeks from 15 March, then moved to mainspace on 6 May.
Moved to mainspace by Storye book (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 105 past nominations.

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Storye book (talk) 17:49, 7 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  •   The article was moved to mainspace yesterday, so is new enough. It is far more than long enough and properly uses in-line citations (perhaps even more so than necessary for some sentences). The copyvio detector doesn't find anything other than names of things and quotes that are properly used in the article. The hook is short enough, interesting, and is cited inline. The QPQ has been done and there's no image to review. Looks good to go! SilverserenC 20:41, 7 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Thank you for the review, Silver seren Re the "even more so than necessary", you'll find that some experienced editors are doing that for a good reason. For example, if you have a "first" in the article, that is going to be automatically questioned and double-checked, and rightly so. Therefore, it is worth finding as many different, independent sources as possible for that "first" and including them all in the article. There is also the fact that some sources may be accessible to some readers (e.g. readers with a subscription, readers in the UK, etc.) and some source may not be accessible to all (e.g. readers outside the UK or without subscription), so it's worth giving them a few alternative sources. A third reason is that various sources give different aspects to the same fact, and some sources also include extra facts which the editor chooses not to include in the article, but which are extremely interesting. In the cast of historical articles, contemporary sources may give the historical standpoint on the matter. Extra sources containing additional facts may also allow other editors to expand the article. Nothing is wasted in this particular article, and there is a reason for everything. Storye book (talk) 08:06, 8 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Storye book and Silver seren: The relevant policy is WP:CLUMP, which says that "Two or three [citations] may be preferred for more controversial material or as a way of preventing linkrot for online sources, but more than three should generally be avoided; if four or more are needed, consider bundling (merging) the citations." I'm afraid it would deserve {{clump}}, and I think your explanation on this page would constitute WP:SYNTH anyway.--Launchballer 11:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for removing the surplus reference. I notice there are several unattributed quotes, including (but not limited to) "the first Yorkshire[-born] woman to become a doctor" and the "by all reports" sentence after it, that are not attributed in text, and I think they should be.--Launchballer 19:42, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Edit conflict. @Launchballer: (1) There are now no groups of more than three citations in the article. (2) Synth is about article content. It does not govern discussions on DYK templates, article talk pages or user talk pages. It is permissible to give one's opinion on DYK templates (how often have you seen the opinion "I don't like that hook"?) Neither is Synth about the grouping together of two or more references which support the relevant fact, and just so happen to contain extra material which may or may not also be useful where the fact is controversial. I shall look at the unattributed quotations. Storye book (talk) 19:47, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I have now added attributions in words to all the remaining quotations, except where the quotations were just one or two words. It doesn't look right to me, because the quotations are already cited at their ends, but I have done it since you asked, to keep the peace. Storye book (talk) 20:15, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT1 ... that despite the contemporary misogyny of the medical profession in her home county of Yorkshire, Laura Veale was accepted for medical training at the Royal Free Hospital Medical School? (186 characters) (Source: The BMJ: "She decided) to enter the medical profession at a time when this was a particularly difficult step for women to take. In fact the medical school in Leeds shut its doors to her, and she had to go to the more liberal-minded University of London to pursue her studies, passing the London M.B. in 1904".) Note: the Royal Free Hospital Medical School was then run under the auspices of the University of London. Storye book (talk) 10:30, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT2 ... that despite the misogyny of the medical profession in her home county, Laura Veale was accepted for medical training at the Royal Free Hospital Medical School?
Note: to promoter: Please use the picture or not as you wish, but I am sure that you will not discard the picture on the sole grounds of not being a pretty girl, because she had quite enough misogyny in her lifetime. Thank you.. Storye book (talk) 10:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oops. Forgot that the image is not yet free. Storye book (talk) 15:36, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply


Articles created/expanded on May 8 edit

Climate change in Asia

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  • ... that climate change in Asia will increase flood risks in the continent's cities, which are already high for 932 million people?
  • Source: [1]: 1532 
Converted from a redirect by InformationToKnowledge (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

InformationToKnowledge (talk) 23:29, 10 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

References

  1. ^ Shaw, R., Y. Luo, T. S. Cheong, S. Abdul Halim, S. Chaturvedi, M. Hashizume, G. E. Insarov, Y. Ishikawa, M. Jafari, A. Kitoh, J. Pulhin, C. Singh, K. Vasant, and Z. Zhang, 2022: Chapter 10: Asia. In Climate Change 2022: Impacts, Adaptation and Vulnerability [H.-O. Pörtner, D. C. Roberts, M. Tignor, E. S. Poloczanska, K. Mintenbeck, A. Alegría, M. Craig, S. Langsdorf, S. Löschke, V. Möller, A. Okem, B. Rama (eds.)]. Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, United Kingdom and New York, New York, US, pp. 1457–1579 |doi=10.1017/9781009325844.012.

Florida Hospital Oceanside

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Created by Catfurball (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.

Catfurball (talk) 15:57, 8 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

Articles created/expanded on May 9 edit

AdventHealth North Pinellas

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Catfurball (talk) 23:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

Here We Go... Again

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𝘮𝘪𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘦𝘭'𝘴 𝘥𝘦𝘢𝘳 𝘮𝘦𝘭𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘺, 22:46, 9 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
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  • Interesting:  
QPQ: None required.

Overall:   Great work on the article, AskeeaeWiki! I do love the hook, with The Weeknd claiming that he could make his lover scream like a horror genre actress? That's wild! Anyway, there's just one issue that I have – there's a Distractify source used in the article, which is considered unreliable; I feel like there could be a more reliable source out there that verifies the fact that he "repeatedly tells his partner that he is willing to marry if she signs a prenuptial agreement, to keep his assets if they separate". Other than that, I have no other concerns, and happy to approve afterward. Thanks! :) ~ Tails Wx (🐾, me!) 02:06, 11 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

  That'll do it! Great work on the article. :) ~ Tails Wx (🐾, me!) 12:49, 11 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Noting here that this was pulled following discussion at WT:DYK.--Launchballer 18:11, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
  Needs a new hook. Valereee (talk) 18:08, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
  This won't be ready for a new reviewer until the new hook is ready. Changing symbol to reflect this. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:00, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on May 10 edit

Han Bong-zin

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  • Source: Sunday Mirror ("The outstanding North Korean footballer is ... Han Bong Jin [a variation of Han Bong-zin]. Pyongyang (The Capital) Radio describes the winger modestly: 'A footballer who overshadows the world-renowned Brazilian player [Pelé]'") / Grimsby Evening Telegraph ("Han Bong Zin is the man described by Pyongyang Radio as 'better than Pele'")
  • ALT1: ... that footballer Han Bong-zin was alleged to "overshadow" Pelé? Source: same
  • ALT2: ... that the North Korean government claimed footballer Han Bong-zin was better than Pelé? Source: same
  • ALT3: ... that the North Korean state-run media claimed footballer Han Bong-zin was better than Pelé? Source: same
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Caitlyn Wurzburger
  • Comment: Regarding ALT2/ALT3: the sources say that it was "Pyongyang Radio". That sounds like a government/state-run program, especially since, if I remember right, the only media in North Korea is state-owned. Let me know about your thoughts on whether it is correct to describe it as the NK government/state making the claims.
Converted from a redirect by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 183 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:13, 17 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

Review by Brachy08
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited:   - no
  • Interesting:  
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   Brachy08 (Talk) 04:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

  • I highly doubt his notability based off a previous AfD discussion, but since the article expanded a lot, I think it is worth a shot. Unfortunately the source you gave is unreliable as it is a tabloid. And not that interested in "X is going to take over Y" kinds of facts. Otherwise, DYK would be filled with statements like "Did you know that Disney+ is going to take over Netflix as the top streaming service"? Brachy08 (Talk) 04:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • @Brachy0008: The prior AFD was very poor as none of the editors looked at Newspapers.com or discussed the fact that he's one of seven players whose life story is chronicled in the film The Game of Their Lives (SIGCOV) or that failing all else, this clearly passes WP:NBASIC (but features like Han Bong Jin-he dribbles like Garrincha, shoots like Charlton are clearly SIGCOV for GNG).
      As for the sources itself, being a tabloid alone is not enough to disqualify a source as far as I'm aware. Neither does the Grimsby Evening Telegraph even appear to be a tabloid(?).
      Regarding the hook, I still think it interesting as an extremely obscure player being allegedly better than possibly the greatest ever (this isn't "X is going to overtake"); that its a nation's government making the claim only adds more interest (and North Korea another added twist).
      Should I request another reviewer to analyze? BeanieFan11 (talk) 13:04, 17 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • You can if you like. However, even if the player is very obscure, and yeah he is, still doesn’t really spark any interest. Brachy08 (Talk) 13:09, 17 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
      • @Brachy0008: Thought of another one, in case the others don't work – what about:
Alt4 ... that footballer Han Bong-zin trained in the military every day for four years in preparation for the FIFA World Cup? BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:10, 17 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT4 can pass. Seems a lot more interesting than the rest. Also, source? Brachy08 (Talk) 00:04, 18 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
My unsolicited comment. I think the article meets the DYK criteria, and the Alt 3, or something like that is the most interesting. --evrik (talk) 15:44, 17 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Brachy0008: See Liverpool Daily Post: For the last four years of his football career Han Bong Jin — like the rest of his colleagues -- has been preparing for the 1966 World Cup. When the North Koreans reorganised their football organisation he was one of those taken from his club and added to a squad of 40 players to be employed by the Army ... who trained for football twice a day. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:08, 18 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@BeanieFan11: unfortunately, that is a tabloid, and thus unreliable. Brachy08 (Talk) 00:18, 18 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Brachy0008: How'd you determine that? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:16, 18 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@BeanieFan11: searching it up. tabloids are usually unreliable bc they put stuff in a sensationalist light. Brachy08 (Talk) 00:18, 18 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Brachy0008: I meant, how did you determine that the Liverpool Daily Post is an unreliable tabloid? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:19, 18 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@BeanieFan11: tabloids are usually unreliable on wikipedia standards. Brachy08 (Talk) 00:20, 18 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'm aware of that, but I'm not seeing that this paper specifically was a tabloid? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:21, 18 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
See Liverpool Daily Post. The infobox says that it is a tabloid. Brachy08 (Talk) 00:25, 18 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
That links to the newspaper size tabloid, not necessarily that they engaged in tabloid journalism (though some do both). It doesn't seem the paper is at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources or has even been discussed at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. I'll request another opinion on this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:29, 18 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Without speaking to the specific reliability and usage of Liverpool Daily Post in this instance, BeanieFan11 is correct. "Tabloid" has two different meanings, of which the infobox usage is very different than the secondary use by Brachy0008, which is shorthand for tabloid journalism, which in turn used to refer to specific tabloids with red mastheads, known as red tops. Our article on tabloid journalism makes this distinction a bit more clear: "Not all newspapers associated with tabloid journalism are tabloid size, and not all tabloid-size newspapers engage in tabloid journalism." Viriditas (talk) 00:45, 18 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

  New reviewer needed unless Brachy0008 returns. Z1720 (talk) 00:50, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

  • hi. sorry for the inactivity... nom would need a second opinion tho, so best get a new reviewer. thx! Brachy08 (Talk) 01:50, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Party of Revolutionary Communism, Vladimir Zitta, Grigorii Nikolaevich Maksimov, Evgenia Semenovskaya, Vladimir Bezel

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  • Source: Память, Issue 3. Khronika Press, 1980. p. 384
5x expanded by Soman (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 386 past nominations.

Soman (talk) 21:37, 15 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

Xenophon of Robeika

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5x expanded by Evrik (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 116 past nominations.

--evrik (talk) 20:07, 10 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  •   Wow, I love this hook. Article is long enough and 5x expanded as of today, Earwig finds no copyvio, sourcing looks good and I'm AGFing on the languages I can't read (DeepL translation shows me it lines up). Hook is cited, again AGF because I can't be certain, given that I can't read Russian, and your QPQ is good. Zanahary (talk) 21:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Zanahary: This saint's day is June 28. Would you mind dropping this in the Wikipedia:SOHA for that day? --evrik (talk) 16:47, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • @Evrik and Zanahary: please could you double check the source for the hook? I found it online via Academia.edu here. My reading is that Ankudinov thinks that there was only oral tradition before the 18th-century vita. After discussing two 17th century documents, the sentence on pages 86 and 87 says "Возможно, это свидетельствует о том, что к этому времени текст Жития Ксенофонта еще не сложился, и среди населения бытовали лишь устные предания о преподобном. [Perhaps this indicates that by this time the text of the Life of Xenophon had not yet been formed, and only oral traditions about the saint existed among the population. via Google translate]". TSventon (talk) 16:02, 29 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
That is accurate, I am not sure it is surprising. I think the article needs some work, hopefully Чръный человек can help. TSventon (talk) 16:19, 29 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@TSventon and Чръный человек: I'm sure there is a simple editing fix, but I'm not clear how to edit this to make people happy. I went with the best and most consistent sourcing I had available to me. I'm willing to share author credit with someone who can reconcile the differences. --evrik (talk) 16:47, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
  @Evrik: Could you share the excerpt that supports the loss of an earlier vita? Zanahary (talk) 17:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
It's in the Ankudinov work, which you have to translate. --evrik (talk) 18:07, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Which page is it on? Could you quote it? Zanahary (talk) 20:02, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Zanahary: Top of page 84. --evrik (talk) 22:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I don’t see that in the source. It says the first known specialized study dedicated to the monastery, from 1901, appears to reference an earlier work from 1891. Zanahary (talk) 17:57, 6 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
That fits hook Alt1--evrik (talk) 23:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Came to respond to a request by Evrik on my user talk to move this to SOHA, but it sounds like Zanahary had remaining questions about the hook source, was asking for a quote? Valereee (talk) 14:53, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply


Articles created/expanded on May 12 edit

Guardian Cap

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A Guardian Cap being worn in 2023
  • ... that Guardian Caps (pictured) have made players feel like bobbleheads?
  • Reviewed: Amen break
  • Comment: QPQ to come. Open to ALTs and open to running without image, although I think this is a good article for the image slot on DYK
Moved to mainspace by Soulbust (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 37 past nominations.

Soulbust (talk) 16:41, 19 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

Ceasefire proposal for Israel–Hamas war (May 5)

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Created by Vice regent (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 10 past nominations.

VR (Please ping on reply) 03:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • The notability of the article is questionable. If the proposal is not implemented and is replaced by another proposal (which seems to be the case at the moment) do you think anyone will be remotely interested in this article a year from now? Vegan416 (talk) 14:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • I do think it’s a significant proposal that will continue to be mentioned years from now. For example, consider the Palestinian proposal at Camp David, which was eventually replaced by an Israeli proposal. Initial media coverage was mainly focused on the Israeli proposal, but as the years passed by academic literature began to pick up on the Palestinian proposal and we can see evidence of WP:SIGCOV in 2003, 2006, 2007, 2012, 2017 etc.VR (Please ping on reply) 04:13, 31 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Issue with all 3 hooks: lack sufficient clarity that Israel did not agree (both before and after). Do you have an alternative suggestion? FortunateSons (talk) 06:54, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

FortunateSons here is another suggestion:

VR (Please ping on reply) 16:07, 3 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

  • Vice regent This is definitely better, but I would like an uninvolved person to evaluate it. Thank you :) FortunateSons (talk) 16:13, 3 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Issue with hook 2 (and maybe hook 3 as well): The claim may be factually incorrect or misleading. Another reliable source claims that Hamas is not ready to give up its weapons: ""Hamas will not surrender its guns or sign a proposal that asks for that,” Arab mediators said Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar told them in a brief message they received Thursday, as two top U.S. officials, including Central Intelligence Agency Director William Burns, hold talks in the region aimed at jump-starting long-stalled negotiations." Vegan416 (talk) 18:38, 6 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Grace A. Johnson

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Created by Xoak (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

X (talk) 22:15, 15 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • Comment: QPQ will be done promptly Done.X (talk) 22:28, 15 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. ^ Berenson 2020.

Interstate 85 in North Carolina

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  • ... that I-85 switches directions from milemarker 96 to 102 in Davidson County?
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  • Comment: You're gonna have to zoom at least 75% into the map image to see the red line, which is I-85.
Improved to Good Article status by NoobThreePointOh (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

NoobThreePointOh (talk) 17:33, 12 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • It's not immediately obvious what you're talking about, and you should make it clear where this "Davidson County" place is for people who won't realize it's in North Carolina, USA. So ...
ALT1: ... that for six miles (9.6 km) in Davidson County, North Carolina, traffic on I-85 drives on the left?
I also wonder if you were able to find any explanation for this in your research. I think it's been noted elsewhere as the only significant place in the US with LHT. And maybe we should put that in the intro. Daniel Case (talk) 05:17, 14 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hmmm... I suppose that works. I'm just a little unsure about what hook exactly to choose. Yeah, I'll probably place it in the intro. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 09:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. ^ https://xfer.services.ncdot.gov/imgdot/DOTCountyMaps/PDF_CountyOneSheet/Davidson_CountyMap_OneSheet.pdf

Vinland Saga (TV series)

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  • ... that the 3D CGI animation of Vinland Saga was inspired by the work of Shūhei Yabuta in Attack on Titan and Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress?
  • ALT1: ... that the Vinland Saga anime series took liberties from the manga to properly show Thorfinn's transformation into a Viking as new scenes were added? Source: [2]
  • ALT2: ... that for the second season of Vinland Saga there was a proper attempt to humanize the slave Thorfinn in contrast to the benevolent owner Ketil who becomes more violent the more he appears? Source: [3]
  • Reviewed:
Created by Tintor2 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 18 past nominations.

Tintor2 (talk) 16:04, 12 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • I found multiple problems with the article, and fixed some prose, neutrality issues and a copyvio (long quote violating fair use). At this point I've edited the article too much to review it. I just want to caution the DYK reviewer to not rely on the quick-pass at GAN. – Reidgreg (talk) 14:00, 28 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Reidgreg: Thanks for the help and advice. I'll try doing the same with other articles.Tintor2 (talk) 18:34, 28 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. ^ "Creators Interviews Series #04 – Shūhei Yabuta". Prezzee. Archived from the original on January 13, 2021. Retrieved June 17, 2023.
  2. ^ Cardine, Kyle (August 9, 2022). "INTERVIEW: VINLAND SAGA Creator, Staff on Returning to the Viking Epic for Season 2". Crunchyroll. Archived from the original on October 31, 2022. Retrieved June 17, 2023.
  3. ^ Campbell, Neysha (June 16, 2023). "The Brilliant Minds Behind VINLAND SAGA Season 2". Anime News Network. Archived from the original on 2023-06-16. Retrieved June 17, 2023.

Articles created/expanded on May 14 edit

Saleh Manaf

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Created by Jeromi Mikhael (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 64 past nominations.

Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 12:00, 14 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • Comment: The Bekasi link in the hook is linked to Bekasi city instead of Bekasi Regency. I fixed it Nyanardsan (talk) 07:47, 18 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Silence Is Loud

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5x expanded by Launchballer (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 229 past nominations.

Launchballer 23:09, 14 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  •   QPQ done, New enough, all hooks seem interesting, no copyvio. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 16:21, 21 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • @Launchballer, OlifanofmrTennant, and AirshipJungleman29:   I assume the relevant line here is "... she’s unafraid to tether her breakbeats to a pounding four-to-the-floor kick drum, a move that would have been absolutely verboten in 90s jungle". That's pretty different from ALT3 on close examination (particularly the fact that ALT3 talks about time signature where the source seems to focus on drum fill). I don't particularly think ALTs 0–2 are interesting, but I'm not going to contest that more than pulling out of queue and leaving this comment. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:35, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on May 16 edit

Haikyu!! The Dumpster Battle

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Created by NinetyNineDragon (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

NinetyNineDragon (talk) 16:22, 16 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  •   The article is long enough, new enough, and neutral. The only issues that I see are that "The film grossed over ¥10 billion, making it the second highest-grossing Japanese film of 2024 so far." needs a citation, the first paragraph needs to be cited, and that IMDb is not considered to be a reliable source for the cast. SL93 (talk) 06:49, 20 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • In 2024, only two films grossed over ¥10 billion in Japan. To my surprise the best source I can find is this. NinetyNineDragon (talk) 15:15, 28 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • In addition, that is a promotional hook. It tells people "go and watch this film or else you miss out on something". Schwede66 08:31, 22 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • I believe simply the hook stating the film's commercial success does not mean it is promotional.　NinetyNineDragon (talk) 15:15, 28 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  •  NinetyNineDragon has not commented on the above, and has not edited since May 28. I am marking this for closure unless someone wants to adopt this and address the above concerns. Z1720 (talk) 00:57, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Taste of Summer

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Spectators follow the 77th Sydney to Hobart Yacht Race
  • ... that there is a seasonal festival in Tasmania that has received yachties from all around the world for the New Year's celebrations for more than 30 years?
  • Source: Hall, C. Michael (2008-09-10). Food and Wine Festivals and Events Around the World (1 ed.). Routledge. pp. 113–130. doi:10.4324/9780080887951. ISBN 978-0-08-088795-1.
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Created by Lautreca11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Lautreca11 (talk) 10:15, 16 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • Comments by Tbhotch

General eligibility:

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited:  
  • Interesting:  
  • Other problems:   - See below
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   @Lautreca11: I copy-edited the article. As a tip, refer to WP:SEAOFBLUE, we don't normally link common words or countries. A newly expanded article that is long enough. The article uses sources sources I cannot access, so I am going to assume good faith. The ones available are okay and mention what it is sourced. The picture is clear and free. No QPQ required; this is the first nomination. I am not approving it due to three queries. 1st: sourcing; I added a citation needed tag, that's the only issue. 2nd: neutrality, several sentences are written as promotion sentences written in a WP:Wikivoice tone: For example: "By having a strong main theme and a high profile, the festival is popular and relevant to locals who support this event with their community energy" or "The Taste of Summer highlights the region local produce". It is not the same as saying this: "According to The Writer / The Source, [text]", "The Writer / The Source considers that [text]". I recommend you to re-read the article as if you were the reader rather than the writer and identify these sentences and quotes and attribute them to the source." 3rd: the hook. It is not directly mentioned in the article, even though it is implied, it is part of the rules: "The facts of the hook need to appear in the article with a citation no later than at the end of the sentences in which they appear." (CC) Tbhotch™ 19:45, 20 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

  • Dear Tbhotch, thanks for your message. My final submition was on the 24th so I am not sure if I can do anything else while I receive my mark. Anyway, do I have to submit a new DYK or is it possible to edit the initial one?
*  Working (CC) Tbhotch™ 22:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • @Lautreca11: Sorry for the late response, this page got lost on my watchlist. As a tip, you can see the template {{ping}} and the editor so they can be notified. Back to the review, I re-reviewed the article, but point three above is still missing. The hook reads: Did you know that there is a seasonal festival in Tasmania that has received yachties from all around the world for the New Year's celebrations for more than 30 years? The article doesn't establish this automatically, you can assume it if you read the whole page. For example.
  • "Did you know that there is a seasonal festival in Tasmania" → The Taste of Summer Festival, previously known as the Taste of Tasmania, is an annual event held in Hobart, Tasmania
  • "that has received yachties" → One of its main goals was to entertain the competitors of the Sydney to Hobart Yacht Race
  • "from all around the world" → drawing in both locals and tourists from around the globe.
  • "for the New Year's celebrations" → Hobart's waterfront is the place where New Year's Eve festivities are celebrated, including the Sydney to Hobart Yacht Race
  • "for more than 30 years" → Its origins back to 1988 when the Hobart City Council introduced it as part of the Hobart Summer Festival
  • As we can read, this is implied, but the DYK rules require the hook to be present in the article and backed up by a source. We have multiple implications that do not necessarily back up the original hook. The all around the world statement is not mentioned anywhere (the word "world" is mentioned twice, but not in this specific context), and "for more than 30 years" is vague because the article doesn't establish that the Taste of Tasmania was the event "the Hobart City Council introduced it as part of the Hobart Summer Festival"; the infobox says that the Taste of Tasmania/Summer has been active from 2003 to 2024. You need to back up the hook in the article with a respective source. Otherwise, you need an alternate hook. You can leave alternatives below with a bolded ALT1, ALT2, etc. (CC) Tbhotch™ 22:52, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Baubau

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  • ... that Baubau city filed two different budgets at the same time, resulting it to lose their chance at becoming capital of Southeast Sulawesi? Source: "Beberapa sebab terpilihnya Kota Kendari sebagai Ibukota Provinsi Sulawesi Tenggara di antaranyakalah jumlah suara pada saat pemilihan untuk penentuan ibukota. Selain itu,terjadi malbirokrasi di mana ada dinas di Kota Baubau yang mengajukan anggaran dua versi dan yang mengajukan dua orang, sehingga terjadi dualisme dalam satu dinas. Akibatnya,kekacauan dalam sistem birokrasi dan tata pemerintahan sangat mungkin terjadi jika Kota Baubau menjadi ibukota provinsi. Oleh karena itu, Mendagri dan Otonomi Daerah dalam keputusannya mengesahkan Kota Kendari sebagai Ibukota Provinsi Sulawesi Tenggara." Rabani, L. O., Purwanto, B., & Margana, S. (2020). Politik dan Ekonomi di Dua Kota: Baubau dan Kendari pada tahun 1950an–1960an. MOZAIK HUMANIORA, 20(1), 39–56. https://doi.org/10.20473/mozaik.v20i1.15746
5x expanded by Nyanardsan (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 27 past nominations.

Nyanardsan (talk) 01:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • Not a review, but special occasion requests for more than six weeks require consensus at WT:DYK. I'd also expect a more merciless prepbuilder to truncate ALT0 at 'time'.--Launchballer 18:33, 16 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • QPQ added. I also would like to highlight my request once again. I am fine if it must go through consensus at WT:DYK and any modification/ALTs are also fine as long as it mentions the city's name. Nyanardsan (talk) 03:26, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on May 17 edit

South by South Lawn

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  • Source: "It was the first – and you have to presume the last – South By South Lawn. Modeled upon and organized together with the original Austin, Texas, interactive festival South By Southwest, it brought a riot of color to the usually sedate seat of the US presidency." The Guardian
  • ALT1: ... that the South by South Lawn festival sign was programmed by Adam Savage and a team from Baltimore to illuminate every time someone made a social media post with the hashtag #sxsl? Source: "MythBusters’ Adam Savage and a team of makers from Baltimore made the giant letters “SXSL” that lit up every time someone posted to social media using the hasthag #sxsl. Artist Nathan Sawaya brought his Park People, sculptures of people made entirely of Legos." Smithsonian Magazine
  • ALT2: ... that the 2016 festival South by South Lawn was literally one of a kind? Source: One-off event. The Guardian
  • ALT3: ... that the 2016 festival South by South Lawn included a panel discussion on climate change led by President Obama and featuring actor Leonardo DiCaprio and Canadian climate scientist Katharine Hayhoe? Source: "The main event was a conversation, led by President Obama, on climate change with Leonardo DiCaprio and climate scientist Katharine Hayhoe. When talking about leaders taking on climate change, DiCaprio said, “I'm so very honored and pleased to be joined onstage with one of those leaders—a President who has done more to create solutions for the climate change crisis than any other in history—President Barack Obama.” Immediately following the discussion was the domestic premiere of DiCaprio’s new climate documentary, Before the Flood." Smithsonian Magazine
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Loretta Preska
Created by TheSandDoctor (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 17 past nominations.

TheSandDoctor Talk 00:46, 24 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

Space Babies

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Moved to mainspace by OlifanofmrTennant (talk) and Alex 21 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 12 past nominations.

Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 20:26, 19 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

Rashmika Mandanna

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Created by 19Arham (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

19Arham (talk) 21:24, 17 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  •   A new hook is needed here as the hook may not be interesting or understandable to a broad audience, particularly if the reader is unfamiliar with Shetty. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:54, 20 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
That doesn't seem to be much of an improvement, not to mention referring to Kapoor as "Bollywood royalty" could fall afoul of WP:WTA. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:20, 29 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@19Arham: are there any other aspects of this article that could be a good hook? Proposing multiple hooks is more likely to get approved. @Narutolovehinata5: do you have any suggestions of interesting aspects in which to get a hook from? Z1720 (talk) 00:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'm not an expert on Bollywood so I'm probably not the best person to ask about this; besides, I didn't get much ideas from a quick skim of the article, but it could just be due to unfamiliarity with the subject. Launchballer has experience proposing ALTs for entertainers so maybe they'd have some ideas. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:09, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Anna Russell Cole

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Anna Russell Cole c. 1911
Created by Xoak (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.

X (talk) 02:54, 17 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

Mercantile Library Company (Philadelphia)

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  • Source: No single source but can be connected from here and here
5x expanded by AdoTang (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 10 past nominations.

AdoTang (talk) 04:58, 17 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • @AdoTang: Hi, I'll be reviewing this.
General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited:  
  • Interesting:  
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   Article properly expanded, no copy vio. Sources used appear reliable. I've done some minor copy edits. ALT0 is rather uninteresting and dull, ALT1 in the hook it is mentioned as "subscription library" and this term has been used in the lead as well, but with no citation although the fact is cited later on in the History section. But as DYK hook rules suggest, the terms used in the hook should be cited in the article somewhat as is. Currently, the cited description in the history section does not mention the word subscription, and the sources do not mention it directly, which is fine here as we can calibrate that easily from the stated info. But it'd be better if you made a mention of that word in that section as well. ALT2 is the most interesting of the bunch. However, it needs a bit of rewording. The source cited mention "due to concerns over Asbestos" but the hooks states directly "due to asbestos". This should be reworded. Moving to ALT3, it feels rather mundane. Ping me once you've made the adjustments. Regards. X (talk) 02:50, 18 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

  • @Xoak: I've decided to lean into ALT2 and ALT3. Reworded ALT2 as you suggested, and clarified what I was going for with ALT3 (the interest part was that it was only added after it was closed). Half-considering adding an ALT4 about how the Modern building was the first such building to be added to the Register, but I'm banking mainly on ALT2, which I agree is the most interesting. I was also thinking of adding another hook about how the 1877 fire originated from Fox's American Theatre considering it was in DYK recently, but I can't find a source that clearly states the connection and I doubt it would be particularly interesting to anyone except Philadelphia architectural historians. AdoTang (talk) 16:38, 19 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  Approving with strong preference for ALT2.X (talk) 17:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

@AdoTang and Xoak:   I've had to pull this article from queue, since I don't believe that Mural Arts Philadelphia or OCF Realty are reliable sources. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 06:40, 9 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on May 18 edit

East Wake Academy

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  • ... that classrooms had to be completely dismantled Wednesdays and Fridays from one of the two buildings East Wake Academy used when opening?
    Source "And with church activities going on every Wednesday night and on weekends, we have to take down the classrooms [...] Each Wednesday and Friday afternoon"
    • ALT1: ... that the two main school buildings of East Wake Academy were located four miles apart in separate towns when opening?
      Source "The year-round school has had to squeeze its 462 students into two temporary sites – four miles apart. Half the school shares a building [...] in Knightdale, while the other half is in a church near Wendell."
    • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sealord Group
    • Comment: Quotes are provided for each newspaper clipping citation if not accessible
Created by Johnson524 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 12 past nominations.

Johnson524 14:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

I Am Human (film)

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  • ALT1: ... that the documentary film I Am Human has been the conversation starter for neuroscience panel discussions at universities such as Harvard? Source:
  • ALT2: ... that the documentary film I Am Human "chronicles how neurotechnology could restore sight, retrain the body, and treat diseases—then make us all more than human"? Source: See the subtitle of this WIRED article
  • ALT3: ... that the documentary film I Am Human has been praised for its "fundamentally optimistic" nature with relation to "neuroscience and brain medicine"? Source: "We’re in a dark moment for the tech industry: a time when some new technologies have been adopted recklessly and backfired terribly, and others have developed far more slowly than their creators hoped. Against the backdrop of this pessimism, a film like I Am Human — a fundamentally optimistic documentary about neuroscience and brain medicine — feels surprisingly refreshing." The Verge
  • ALT4: ... that the documentary film I Am Human asks the existential question "what makes us human"? Source: "By the end, though, the film's central question is more of an existential one: What makes us human?" WIRED
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Lewis Katz Gulfstream Charter Crash
Created by TheSandDoctor (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 16 past nominations.

TheSandDoctor Talk 00:06, 24 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • General eligibility:
  • New enough:  
  • Long enough:  
  • Other problems:   - Length is a bit iffy; the direct quotations take up a sizable portion of the article.
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited:  
  • Interesting:  
  • Other problems:   - ALTs 2 through 4 are a bit too involved with the content of the film itself. Not technically barred by WP:DYKFICTION, but may affect neutrality
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   Preference is for ALT1, though I'd use "such as"  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:50, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Crisco 1492: Thank you for the review. I have copyedited ALT1 per your suggestion as that is a good idea/better grammar. I respectfully disagree with relation to the length, though. I just added up the characters of the quotes and count only around 517 characters out of an article the DYKcheck tool says is over 2600 characters in length. Given that the DYK criterion for length is only 1500 characters, taking all of the quotes away would still leave us with around 2000-2100 characters in length, more than enough to qualify. The production section has no quotes, the premise has 2 but ultimately equating to a sentence, release has no quotes, and it is almost impossible to have a "critical reception" section without any quotes since that section is about what critics have written; take for example Shake It Off#Critical reception or Hackney Diamonds#Critical reception etc. --TheSandDoctor Talk 18:23, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • The critical reception section is fine. However, the third paragraph of #Premise is 60% quotations. The lengthy quotation in the lede could also be paraphrased to better present the premise; that would help improve neutrality as well. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hock burns

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  • ... that farmed birds often get marks called hock burns from the ammonia of other birds' waste?
  • ALT1: ... that farmed birds often get lesions called hock burns after living in the manure of other birds? Source: (1)
  • Reviewed:
  • Comment: Open to other ideas of hooks here. Before expansion, the page size plugin showed a prose size of "617 B (106 words)", but now shows "3384 B (573 words)", so is more than 5x larger in bytes and in words
5x expanded by TB5ivVaO1y55FkAogw1X (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

TB5ivVaO1y55FkAogw1X (talk) 02:20, 21 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • Also I now realize that I'm not 100% sure if I selected the correct date when submitting this. I started working to expand the article on the 18th, but didn't finish until around today. Let me know if I filled this out incorrectly TB5ivVaO1y55FkAogw1X (talk) 02:27, 21 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on May 19 edit

Alan Kulwicki Memorial Park

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Moved to mainspace by Lightburst (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 23 past nominations.

Lightburst (talk) 15:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  •   New article of good length. Sources look OK and everything looks neutral. Hooks are cited and interesting. ALT2 stretches it a little since the building is not named after a current owner, but the others are good. The pictures are nice-looking, free photos taken by the nominator, good job there. QPQ is done. I see two minor problems that need to be addressed. The Milwaukee County Park System involvement is mentioned in the lead but not in the article body, and is unsourced. The infobox says the park was established in 1997, but this is also unsourced and not mentioned anywhere else (and it overwrites the "opened" parameter - what is the difference here?). Fix those issues and I think it's ready to go. Ffranc (talk) 10:48, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Drew Thomas

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  1. McIntyre, Michael K. (2019-04-17). "Drew Thomas at the MGM Northfield, and the Alan Cox Show Comedy Tour hits the Cleveland Masonic". The Plain Dealer. Archived from the original on 2024-05-19. Retrieved 2024-05-19.

    The article notes: "Thomas, who has appeared on NBC’s “Last Comic Standing” and has made several other national appearances, started comedy after six years as a car salesman selling Toyotas."

  2. "Best Local Comedian". Creative Loafing. Archived from the original on 2024-05-19. Retrieved 2024-05-19.

    The article notes: "BEST LOCAL COMEDIAN BOA AWARD WINNER. Year » 2006. Section » Print Features » Special Issue » Best of Atlanta » 2006 » Poets, Artists, & Madmen » Critics Pick Drew Thomas"

Created by Cunard (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 74 past nominations.

Cunard (talk) 04:01, 19 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  •   Hooks seem interesting and are supported by references. Article is new and the correct length. However, some of the article's first section lacks inline citations. Once these are added I think it is good to go. TDogg310 (talk) 23:29, 1 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • Thank you for the review, TDogg310 (talk · contribs). Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines#External policy compliance says (bolding added for emphasis):

      The article must be based on reliable sources, which must be cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).

      Every paragraph in the article is cited except for the lead. This complies with the guideline because "that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article" does not need to be cited. The guideline Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section#Citations says:

      Because the lead usually repeats information that is in the body, editors should balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead with the desire to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material. Although the presence of citations in the lead is neither required in every article nor prohibited in any article, there is no exception to citation requirements specific to leads. The necessity for citations in a lead should be determined on a case-by-case basis by editorial consensus. Complex, current, or controversial subjects may require many citations; others, few or none.

      The subject is not complex or controversial (and none of the material in the lead is contentious), so the guideline does not require citations in the lead. Cunard (talk) 10:25, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply


Articles created/expanded on May 20 edit

Praetorium of Constantinople

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Theodorus and Theophanes
Created by Alessandro57 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 83 past nominations.

Alex2006 (talk) 16:11, 20 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  @Narutolovehinata5: you are right, sorry, QPQ done. Alex2006 (talk) 05:56, 6 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Jump (Tyla, Gunna, and Skillibeng song)

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Tyla (left) and Gunna (right) filming the music video for "Jump" in South Africa
  • ... that a fusion of international talent "Jump" by South African singer Tyla, American rapper Gunna and Jamaican singer as well as rapper Skillibeng is a collaborative song which blends Tyla's melodious vocals, Gunna's rap prowess, and Skillibeng's dancehall flair, marking a vibrant cross-genre collaboration that's making waves globally? Source: ' ' 'Source:' ' '
  • For 6 consecutive weeks, the song has maintained the number one position on the UK's biggest premier chart for afrobeats songs, which ranks them according to sales and streams over a 7 day period: [24]
  • American rapper Gunna and South African singer Tyla traveled to Johannesburg, South Africa, Tyla's hometown, to film the official music video: [25]
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    • Comment: "Jump" by Tyla, Gunna and Skillibeng achieved remarkable success, reaching the number 1 spot on The UK’s biggest Afrobeats songs chart for six consecutive weeks. The collaboration between American rapper Gunna , Jamaican musician Skillibeng and South African singer Tyla, filmed in Johannesburg, South Africa, showcases the global appeal and cross-cultural influence of contemporary music. The song's popularity underscores the growing recognition and appreciation of African music on an international scale. "Jump" exemplifies the fusion of diverse musical styles and talents, resulting in a chart-topping hit with widespread appeal. "Jump" has earned millions of streams and downloads worldwide since its release.
Created by Qaqaamba (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Qaqaamba (talk) 12:36, 20 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

ALT1: ... that "Jump" is a cross-genre collaboration blending South African singer Tyla's vocals, American rapper Gunna's trap, and Jamaican musician Skillibeng's dancehall? "Jump" stands out as the sole hip hop or trap and dancehall infused song on Tyla's eponymous debut studio album, Tyla. Qaqaamba (talk) 13:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  162 characters after adding an oxford comma, which I have added to the article title. Full review needed.--Launchballer 14:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT2: ... that "Jump" is a cross-genre collaboration blending singer Tyla's vocals, American rapper Gunna's rap and Jamaican musician Skillibeng's, dancehall? Qaqaamba (talk) 15:07, 20 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
ALT3:… that "Jump" was the only trap-infused recording on Tyla? dxneo (talk) 09:52, 24 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Qaqaamba and Dxneo: As per WP:DYKINT, the hook should be "perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest." Might I suggest something maybe to do with the "Haibo!" adlib, the famous Hillbrow Tower in the video, or perhaps the viral "they ain't never had a pretty girl from..." trend? —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 08:35, 28 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Jerzy Kosinski: A Biography

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Created by Piotrus (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 512 past nominations.

Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:52, 20 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • Article is well sourced and neutral. It's new enough and long enough. QPQ looks to be underway at Template:Did you know nominations/American Colossus: Big Bill Tilden and the Creation of Modern Tennis. I agree that the hooks could be more interesting, and I think it's because it glosses over why this person is notable. (Both in the hook and in the article body.) Following the links the article about the man himself, there's probably a way to describe at least one aspect of what earned him coverage in reliable sources. Either his fiction, his personal life, or both. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:57, 23 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Shooterwalker, Sorry, my watchlist is not usable (too big), so I can see only pings. Do you have any suggestions for a more interesting hook? I am open to ideas, but as I said, I can't think of anything better, and I think the proposed hooks are "good enough" for DYK rules. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:51, 6 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
That's ok, Piotrus. I think it's hard to come up with this because the article doesn't really summarize the contents of the book. The article summarizes several reviews of the book, but we don't have the context of what they're reviewing.
Not to create too much more work, but would it be possible to get a short summary of the book in the contents section? It could be similar to the main Jerzy Kosinski article, plus even one sentence about the viewpoint/thesis of the author. If that's too much of a pain, plan B would be to scrape something from the review section. I can do my best to come up with something, but it would definitely be easier with more about the contents of the book. Shooterwalker (talk) 00:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Shooterwalker, The problem is that the reviews do not, as far as I recall, provide any comprehensive information on the book's contents, which I assume is a biography of Kosinski, and the reviewers assume everyone will figure that out, I guess. They do not talk about chapter structure or such, just occasionally engage with some parts of his biography presented in the book the reviewer found interesting. And there is the issue of trying to make this article (and hook) be about the book and not about Kosinski's biography, which after all is a different article... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Flyover (book)

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Created by Piotrus (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 511 past nominations.

Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:24, 20 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • The clause adds interest, but I wonder if a snappier and more concise version of the hook also works:
  • ALT1 ... that the 2023 American novel Flyover has been published in French but not yet in English?
Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:16, 21 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • WP has strong precedent for discussing any fictional events in present tense, i.e. "becomes" instead of "became" Orchastrattor (talk) 19:19, 26 May 2024 (UTC)Reply


Articles created/expanded on May 21 edit

Paul Parkman

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Paul Parkman
  • ... that Rubella vaccine developer Paul Parkman reflected at the end of his career that "It will be for others to take on the difficult task of maintaining the protections that we struggled to achieve"?
  • Source: "Dr. Paul D. Parkman, whose research was instrumental in identifying the virus that causes rubella and developing a vaccine that has prevented an epidemic of the disease in the United States for more than 50 years, died on May 7 at his home in Auburn, N.Y., about 60 miles east of Rochester in the Finger Lakes region. He was 91.

“As I look back on my career, I have come to think that perhaps I was involved in the easy part,” he added. “It will be for others to take on the difficult task of maintaining the protections that we struggled to achieve. We must prevent the spread of this vaccine nihilism, for if it were to prevail, our successes could be lost.”"

NY Times
Created by Thriley (talk) and ForsythiaJo (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 133 past nominations.

Thriley (talk) 16:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  •   Thriley, it has been nearly two weeks since this was nominated, and a QPQ is supposed to be supplied within seven days. Please supply a QPQ right away if you wish to pursue this nomination. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:02, 9 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hamad City

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  • ... that Hamad City was largely destroyed within minutes?
Created by Havradim (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Havradim leaf a message 23:05, 26 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

Pascal Maynard

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Pascal Maynard in his card store
  • Source: https://dotesports.com/general/news/pascal-maynard-tarmogoyf-magic-the-gathering-2014 - " Pascal Maynard ... had finally made Top 8, the final table, at Magic’s largest tournament in history and came face to face with one of the most valuable cards in the set. And it was absolutely useless for him. ... Pros seemed outraged that a player calling himself professional would choose the money over a better chance at winning." https://monsaintroch.com/2020/nouvel-univers-magique-jeux-saint-roch/ "Le quartier Saint-Roch accueille depuis la mi-octobre une boutique de jeux .... Projet de Pascal Maynard, La Boutique Mythique propose des jeux de cartes, principalement Magic the Gathering." transl. "Since mid-October, the Saint-Roch district has been home to a game store ... A project of Pascal Maynard, La Boutique Mythique offers card games, mainly Magic the Gathering."
Moved to mainspace by GRuban (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 42 past nominations.

GRuban (talk) 13:57, 24 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

LS Power

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Created by AdJHu (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

AdJHu 胡 03:50, 22 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

Jacob Green Jackson

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Jacob Green Jackson
Created by Rosiestep (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 400 past nominations.

SL93 (talk) 19:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

Golden Girls (play)

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  • Source: Branagh, Kenneth (1991). Beginning. New York: St. Martin's Press. ISBN 978-0-312-05822-7., p.153: "Jimmy and I enlisted the help of Brian Blessed, the Company’s fitness fanatic, who agreed to take us through a training programme"
  • ALT1: ... that before reading the script for the play Golden Girls, at least nine of the cast members were under the impression that they would be taking the lead role? Source: Branagh, Kenneth (1991). Beginning. New York: St. Martin's Press. ISBN 978-0-312-05822-7., p.152: "I asked around. Jimmy Yuill, Josette Simon, Polly James, Kate Bufferey. They were all playing the lead, and that made nine of us in total."
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Municipal Asphalt Plant
  • Comment: Suggestions for ALT hooks welcome.
Created by BennyOnTheLoose (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 48 past nominations.

BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 10:47, 21 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

Voluntary war

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  • Source: Eisenstein, Judah D. (1970). A Digest of Jewish Laws and Customs - in Alphabetical Order (Ozar Dinim u-Minhagim) (in Hebrew). Tel-Aviv: Ḥ. mo. l. pp. 228–229 (s.v. מלחמה). OCLC 54817857.; Babylonian Talmud, Kiddushin 21b–22a
  • Reviewed:
Created by Davidbena (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

Davidbena (talk) 04:30, 21 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • Drive by comment: "forcibly have marital relations" should either be changed to "rape and forcibly marry" or attributed to a source, this is far too euphemistic to have in Wikipedia's voice. Rusalkii (talk) 05:03, 22 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Okay, I'll make the change, although I do think that it is a bit too strong.Davidbena (talk) 11:44, 29 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Comment: I don't see how the word "rape" can be in the hook if it isn't in the article. I also think "traditional" may be misleading, unless they are still in effect or only recently stopped being active laws; if they haven't been in effect for hundreds or even thousands of years, then that should be clear as well. Note to Davidbena: rather than edit hooks in situ, please show any revised wordings as an alternate hook (i.e., ALT1, ALT2). I've done so to restore your original hook and show the requested revision as ALT1. Thanks. Also, don't forget to supply your QPQ review (see WP:QPQ); you're supposed to do so within seven days of nominating, and definitely within seven days of being reminded to do so. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:18, 9 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@BlueMoonset:, thanks for your comment. Sometimes it is common practice among writers to use "euphemisms" in Belles-lettres and in prose, rather than use a word having the exact same meaning, but viewed as repugnant (e.g. "to forcibly have marital relations" instead of writing "to rape"). Would it help if I put, in the article, the word "rape" in parentheses, immediately following the words "to forcibly have marital relations"? If so, an alternate reading of the hook can be this:
Alt2 is my preferred hook, as it clarifies everything. I will also go ahead and add "rape" in the main article. As for your question about use of the word "traditional," the word is still applicable today, since Jews in Israel recognize these ancient customs as being bona-fide Jewish traditions. They, in fact, could still be upheld today if we had an active Sanhedrin, which, in this case, we don't. Another option might simply be to write, instead of "traditional," the word "obsolete." This word, however, is tricky, because if the Sanhedrin were ever to be reinstated, these laws of warfare would still be applicable today. Finally, I do not understand what you mean by saying that I must supply my QPQ review. Give me time to read-up on this.Davidbena (talk) 23:06, 9 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
To the best of my knowledge, I have nominated four articles on "Did you know...", and this present article, if accepted, will be my fifth. The rules in WP:QPQ state that if I've nominated 5 or more articles, only then would I be required to work on the nomination of another person's DYK. I take that to mean that I can begin doing that now. Okay, no problem.Davidbena (talk) 23:35, 9 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
@BlueMoonset:, I have begun the review process of the DYK article here.Davidbena (talk) 00:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Gary Orfield

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Created by Evrik (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 118 past nominations.

--evrik (talk) 04:11, 21 May 2024 (UTC).Reply


Articles created/expanded on May 22 edit

Khirbet el-Qutt

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  • Source: "Khirbet el-Qutt -A Fortified Jewish Village in Southern Samaria from the Second Temple Period and the Bar Kokhba Revolt"; "Jewish Settlement in the Toparchy of Acraba during the Second Temple Period - The Archaeological Evidence". Judea and Samaria Research Studies8. 18: 177–200 – via academia.edu; "תולדות היישוב בהר שומרון בתקופה הרומית־ביזנטית". kotar.cet.ac.il. Retrieved 2024-05-21.
  • Reviewed:
Created by Owenglyndur (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Owenglyndur (talk) 13:48, 22 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • I have begun the review process of this DYK, and the hook seems good and accurate, based on the sources cited. The article is also new enough, having been created on 21 May 2024.

  Article length and age are fine; no copyright violations or plagiarism concerns; reliable sources are used. The article, however, can be improved by using the common spelling "archaeological" (instead of "archeological"). This will bring uniformity in spelling, as, currently, both spellings are used in the article.Davidbena (talk) 00:50, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

  • A suggested improvement might be to add the word "underground" in the hook, even though the link explains what is meant by "hiding complexes." Most editors will not click onto the link, and therefore it is helpful to add this clarification at the very outset. For example, ALT1 ... that underground hiding complexes from the Bar Kokhba revolt were found in Khirbet el-Qutt and other places in ancient Samaria? (End Quote).Davidbena (talk) 01:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

I'm really excited about the opening of Tuen Ma line

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On another note, as I will be going to China from tomorrow until the 30th, and as most will know Wikipedia can't be used in China, I'd appreciate some patience if I don't answer until after that date. I might use roaming to make minor edits or answer some questions before then, but I likely won't make any large-scale edits until after.

Created by S5A-0043 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

S5A-0043Talk 08:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • Comment (not a full review). Per the spirit of WP:BLP, I do not think an article about an autistic boy who became an internet meme is suitable for the Main Page, especially if the full name is mentioned. (The original media reports used 羅先生 (Mr. Law) or 羅同學 (Classmate Law); I do not know when and which HK media started using the full name). The article itself mentions doxxing and negative attention; posting on our Main Page has the potential to lead to further harm. I would suggest not to post this without clear consensus otherwise from a place like the BLP noticeboard. —Kusma (talk) 16:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Valereee and Kusma: I'll consolidate my response over here so as not to split the discussion too much and cause any confusion. For the person name, while the person is indeed referred as 羅同學 or 羅先生 a lot in Chinese media, the ones I found in English (SCMP and The Standard in particular) refer to the person by the full name Jason Law: [26][27][28][29]. In fact The Standard included the romanization of 哲琛 as well, but I decided against including it since it isn't really a critical detail in this case. My reasoning for the usage of the full name is based on WP:COMMONNAME, which states that we "generally prefer the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable, English-language sources" (emphasis added in italics). Yes this isn't an article title but nonetheless since "Mr Law" or "Classmate Law" isn't as widespread in English I don't think it'll be helpful in this case.
I'm not opposed to a discussion on WP:BLPN or somewhere else, but respectfully I'm not sure whether it still matters. As in, it's been three years since the phrase was first said. During these three years, not only has the person made further appearences and interviews [30][31], he has even appeared in an official MTR video re-enacting the scene [32][33]. I'm very sympathetic to his experience of being doxxed, but I genuinely think that given the time passage it isn't particularly as big of a deal as we may think. Him opening up about being doxxed was in 2021; he is still making appearences thanks to the notability from this phrase in 2022. If there was so much of a worry, he could've rejected any further publicity and we wouldn't be seeing him in the MTR video. In addition, there's been far less coverage about the doxxing as far as I can find compared to the more positive aspects, meaning most media (and in turn WP:RSes) don't think this is an important aspect to cover either. I hope I summed up my perspective well enough, and I'm open to any objections.
Regarding a possible merge as suggested on WT:DYK, my opinion would be oppose. The article easily passes WP:GNG with the number of sources covering the subject, and the MTR video shows that it still has a lasting effect even one year later. Plus, I'm not sure how the article can be merged. I already had a hard time finding articles to link to my article on existing content, and (at least for me) it's quite tough to add details of this event into other articles. S5A-0043Talk 02:28, 31 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
      • I find it difficult to judge whether he really embraces his popularity. His YouTube just looks like railfan stuff not trying to profit from his viral appearance. Happy to hear other opinions. —Kusma (talk) 09:10, 31 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

The Rise and Fall of the Dinosaurs

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  • Reviewed: Fewer than 5 past noms, no QPQ required
  • Comment: I don't have a direct source for generally positive reviews, but I haven't been able to find a single review that didn't primarily praise the book. If this is an issue I can reword the hook to exclude that.
Created by Rusalkii (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Rusalkii (talk) 04:54, 22 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

Articles created/expanded on May 23 edit

Suicidal Tour

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Thriller (Fall Out Boy song)

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Converted from a redirect by Bruxton (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 149 past nominations.

Bruxton (talk) 00:26, 24 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

List of historic places in Gore District

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Created by Generalissima (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 49 past nominations.

Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 20:49, 23 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

Articles created/expanded on May 24 edit

Expedition climbing

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Expedition style climbing makes heavy use of fixed ropes to aid progress
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  • Comment: Expanded this 5x and only just finished it on 25 May 2024 - hopefully still ok (I didn't know about DYK until today!)
5x expanded by Aszx5000 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Aszx5000 (talk) 19:55, 2 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Traverse (climbing)

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The El Capitan Girdle Traverse spans the full width of El Capitan in Yosemite
  • ... that the world's longest continuous rock climbing route is a horizontal 4,500-metre (14,800 ft) traverse, known as the El Capitan Girdle Traverse?
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5x expanded by Aszx5000 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

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Dagmar Skálová

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Skálová circa 1940
  • ... that Czech Dagmar Skálová (pictured) was given the nickname "Raksha" because of her leadership in Scouts?
  • Source: Šantora, Roman; Nosek, Václav; Janov, Slavomil; Dostál, Václav (2012). Skautské století [The Scout Century] (in Czech) (1st ed.). Junák - svaz skautů a skautek ČR, Tiskové a distribuční centrum. ISBN 978-80-86825-72-4.
Created by P40fA (talk), Draceane (talk), and FromCzech (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 120 past nominations.

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Avatar Studios (production company)

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Created by Zingo156 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Zingo156 (talk) 16:38, 24 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

List of Green Bay Packers Associated Press All-Pro selections

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Nodoroc

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  • ... that Nodoroc is a dormant mud volcano in Winder, Georgia, and it was a Native American execution site?
  • Source: Barrow County Georgia Cemeteries. East Georgia Genealogical Society. 2000. p. 5.
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Created by MallardTV (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

MallardTV (talk) 12:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  •   Length, date, hook ok. No qpq needed. But too much close paraphrase from the ref GeorgiaBeforePeople, which furthermore is a blog and thus not WP:RS. --Soman (talk) 21:13, 25 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on May 25 edit

73 Yards

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TheDoctorWho (talk) 17:00, 26 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

Source: https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/doctor-who-why-ncuti-gatwas-doctor-isnt-in-73-yards/

  • Thank you for the extra ALT hooks! I originally had something similar to ALT4 drafted up, but I rewrote it because the source doesn't explicitly state that it was the fourth episode to omit it. While I don't dispute it's a fact, we only have two separate sources that previously three other previous episodes that exclude it, but not that those are the only three. It was a slight case of WP:SYNTH and should probably be re-written in the article, unless such a source exists. That said, I don't have a problem with ALT3 if a reviewer chooses to accept it, but I do of course have a slight preference for the ones that I wrote 😅. TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:16, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Adama Touré (PAI general secretary)

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  • Source: Afrique nouvelle, Issues 1902-1927. 1986. p. 9
Moved to mainspace by Soman (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 389 past nominations.

Soman (talk) 21:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

Sud 777

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  • ... that a critic said that the hors d'oeuvres served at Sud 777 could function as desserts and vice versa?
  • Source: [34] ABC (newspaper): "Cocina que rompe esquemas en cuanto al orden y en la que algunos entrantes podrían ser postres y algunos postres entrantes [A cuisine that breaks the rules in terms of order and in which some starters could be desserts and some desserts could be starters]"
Created by Tbhotch (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 48 past nominations.

(CC) Tbhotch™ 04:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

Articles created/expanded on May 26 edit

Yang Jingru (speed skater)

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Toadboy123 (talk) 11:35, 26 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

Ludwig Krug

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Limestone relief
Moved to mainspace by Ogress (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 402 past nominations.

SL93 (talk) 10:02, 26 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

Brittany Luse

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Created by Innisfree987 (talk) and CaptainAngus (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 37 past nominations.

Innisfree987 (talk) 03:03, 26 May 2024 (UTC).Reply


Articles created/expanded on May 27 edit

Broward County Convention Center

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  • ... that when Broward County Convention Center was proposed in 1985, South Florida did not have MLB, NBA or NHL teams?
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    • Comment: RL kicked in when I nominated this article. My computer crashed during my Memorial Day travels. I created this article on my backup computer on May 27. On May 29, my busy season at work kicked in. I had to erase and reset my computer hard drive and have been having issues getting software installed ever since. My editing has been sparse since May 29. I am late and understand if this is rejected. This article is a bit half-baked as a result of RL.
Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 365 past nominations.

TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:40, 9 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Kaur (short film)

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  • ... that in the British short film Kaur, a Sikh father does not approve of his daughter wearing a turban?
  • Source: ""Kaur" told the story of a Sikh woman who chose to defy her father's wishes by wearing a turban."...[35]
  • Reviewed: William Post
  • Comment: Still have a bit more work to do on it
5x expanded by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 197 past nominations.

Whispyhistory (talk) 05:57, 3 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Croton alabamensis

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Alabama croton flower
  • Source: X, 1034436770698604544: "Alabama croton, with its silvery undersides on its foliage, balances out this late summer arrangement. Croton alabamensis var. alabamensis is found in the wild in just a few counties in Alabama. We have some specimens planted along our Main Drive,", "C. alabamensis emerges alone on a long branch that is sister to Croton section Corylocroton and the Cuban endemic genus Moacroton", Molecular Ecology (2006) 15, 2735–2751
  • ALT1: ... that the two varieties of Alabama croton are separated by more than 1,000 kilometres (620 mi)? Source: "In a surprising discovery in 1989, C. alabamensis was found in central Texas, more than 1000 km from the Alabama populations" Molecular Ecology (2006) 15, 2735–2751
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Drew Thomas
5x expanded by TDogg310 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

TDogg310 (talk) 00:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

At the Name of Jesus

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  • ... that "At the Name of Jesus" has been described as "the only completely objective theological hymn to come from the hand of a 19th-century woman writer"?
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Felipe Lara
  • Comment: Open to hook alternatives - there could be something in her 20-year break from writing poetry, but I'm not sure how to phrase it in reference to this hymn. But if ALT0 is ok, that's fine with me!
5x expanded by Mystery Merrivale (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

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The Blue Angels (film)

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  • ... that the a 2024 film documents the journey of becoming a Blue Angel?
Created by VeniceBreeze (talk) Cielquiparle (talk) and Bruxton (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 151 past nominations.

Bruxton (talk) 21:39, 27 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • Article looks to be new and long enough. Looks to be well-sourced as far as I can tell. QPQ is done. I think the hook is just missing some context for readers with no outside knowledge. (For example, the language in the article lead uses the phrase "the Blue Angel pilots of the United States Navy".) Either hook can potentially work, and it will become a question of length. Shooterwalker (talk) 16:26, 31 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hello. Bruxton asked me to stop by and offer some ALT hooks, so here you go. At the very least, perhaps they inspire more hooks.
I have modified the article accordingly to support these hooks. Cielquiparle (talk) 03:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thanks @Cielquiparle: pinging the reviewer Shooterwalker. Bruxton (talk) 03:58, 4 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
These all have potential! The best one for clarity is ALT3, because it makes it clear that this relates to jet pilots. But it would be a little better if it made it clear that this is about a film. The others (particularly ALT4 and ALT5) aren't clear on this fact. They could all be made clear with just a little more context (e.g.: the film is about jet pilots), because I think that some of the others are more interesting. Any of them can be made to work with a little more tweaking. Shooterwalker (talk) 02:22, 6 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Zwei Gesänge, Op. 1 (Schoenberg)

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Schönberg, 1905 portrait
  • ... that the two songs of Op. 1 by Arnold Schönberg (pictured), "Abschied" (Farewell) and "Dank" (Thanks), were first performed in Vienna in 1900, with Zemlinsky at the piano, to a hostile reaction of the audience? Source: Gerlach
    • Reviewed: Alexandru Talex
    • Comment: We are in a Schönberg year. I couldn't believe his Op. 1 (not 12-tone yet, rather expressionist but no room for that in a hook) had no article. Planning to write more about text and music but busy the next few days. I believe we should picture him this year ;)
Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 2107 past nominations.

Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:39, 27 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  •   Great work as always on these pieces. QPQ, article eligibility, source, and general presentation checks out. The hook seems like it could be condensed just a tad to ease readability; maybe something along the lines of "the first public performance of two songs from Arnold Schoenberg's (pictured) Op. 1 was met with hostile reactions from the audience?" The picture is pretty nice! Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 23:23, 27 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Thank you fort the review! Yes, it could be condensed, but what would be left had much in common with other pieces, and I find the position of pictured awkward. We should also not say that in Wikipedia voice when it was the wording of one critic, also the ridicule in the other's wording was perhaps a bit more unique. "two songs from" is correct but misleading, because the opus is exactly these two songs. Please give me some more days to write about text and music, both loaded with emotion which the titles suggest a bit, I think. (But Schönberg knew why he didn't call them simply lieder (songs) but - like Brahms sometimes - Gesänge, a more sophisticate form for which English has no word, or has it? Then we could use that.) - You could also listen. I did, see the Liviu Holender hook. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:39, 28 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
    Zemlinsky was not only the pianist, but Schönberg's teacher, the dedicatee of the songs, and to become his brother in law. Some will associate that with the name. He is also one of the composers whose music was banned by the Nazis, see the Holender hook. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:42, 28 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I have to agree with Generalissima here. The original hook has too much detail and is thus too dense. The alternative wording proposed is direct to the point and makes the point of the hook clearer. Readers might get lost with the first hook, the second hook is much more understandable. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:43, 29 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
While all this is true and not new: we celebrate 150 years of Schönberg and his music, and it's nothing new and no surprise that people react to it with hostility. I was surprised that his first works were songs. I was surprised that they were recorded by four of the greatest names singing and playing (but you may not know them so I dropped the idea of saying that). I was surprised to learn how close Zemlinsky was to him, not just teacher but friend and later family. - Did you listen? - The music of these two composers were banned by the Nazis, - we could do a bit more positive for it than saying the reaction was hostility, no? - On 29 May The Rite of Spring was premiered to an almost riot, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
As a compromise, can't we just go with Generalissima's wording? It basically says the same thing as the original hook except more concisely, and if the point is to promote Schoenberg, they still do it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:28, 30 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on May 28 edit

List of historic places in Kaikōura District

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  • ... that Cumming "Cum" Haswell erected a historic villa, later described as "modestly-scaled but ornamental"?
Created by Generalissima (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 51 past nominations.

Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 22:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

Erismatopterus

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  • ... that the Eocene fish Erismatopterus has been preserved in shoaling formation?
  • Source: Mizumoto, N.; Miyata, S.; Pratt, S.C. (2019), "Inferring collective behaviour from a fossilized fish shoal"
Created by Kevmin (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 350 past nominations.

Kevmin § 04:09, 28 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

Articles created/expanded on May 29 edit

Ștefan Tita

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  • ... that Ștefan Tita, one of the Jewish authors banned in 1940s Romania, continued to write unsigned pieces in nominally pro-Nazi newspapers?
  • Source: Sergiu Dan, "Pentru d. Al. Graur", in Dreptatea, 26 November 1944, p. 2: Se întreabă d. Graur : „Ce facem cu articolele nesemnate sau Cu cele semnate cu alt nume?“ — dar eu am spus răspicat că mă mândresc cu tot ce-am scris în gazeta ghetoului, cu sau fără iscălitură. D. Graur se crede feroce când scrie că „d. Sergiu Dan este şi rămâne solidar cu colegii d-sale“. Mărturisesc că eu n'aş fi solidarizat pe unii camarazi ai d-lui Graur de la gazetele fasciste din vremea dictaturei cu ceilalţi colaboratori ai acelor ziare, dar, iată, vreau să-i fac plăcere antreprenorului de Învăţământ [Graur] şi declar că răspund şi pentru articolele unor hitlerişti inverşunaţi, cum sunt şi erau M. Schwartzfeld, Adrian Verea, A. Luca, Camil Baltazar, Ştefan Tita, Isaia Râcăciuni şi alţii ("Mr Graur asks: 'What of the articles that were unsigned, or were signed with different names?' — to which I answer with no qualms that I myself take pride in all the articles that I have contributed for the [Bucharest] ghetto gazette, be they signed or unsigned. Mr Graur imagines himself a ferocious fella when he says that 'Mr Sergiu Dan continues to express solidarity with his colleagues'. I confess that I would not have established links of solidarity between some of Graur's comrades of the dictatorship-era fascist gazettes and other people who have collaborated on those gazettes, but sure, if it pleases the Educational entrepreneur [Graur], I hereby declare myself responsible for the articles of inveterate, unreformed Hitlerites, such as M. Schwartzfeld, Adrian Verea, A. Luca, Camil Baltazar, Ştefan Tita, Isaia Râcăciuni and various others".)
  • ALT1: ... that educational writer Ștefan Tita gave Romanian students impractical advice about mending damaged bark with bandages of dirt? Source: Ion Manolescu, "'Epoca de Aur'. Propaganda comunistă în școala primară. Clișeele manualelor (II)", in Observator Cultural, Issues 165–166, April 2003: Dadacirea naturii capata accente patetice in sceneta Pomisorul de Stefan Tita (Caiet de lectura pentru clasa I, autori: Cella Aldea si Viniciu Gafita, EDP, Bucuresti, 1974), unde trei copii cu inima nobila si nume melodioase (Tulache, Lica si Culai) planteaza un pomisor si il ingrijesc pina la sacrificiu: in fata atacului iresponsabil cu pietre azvirlite de o ceata de derbedei, Tulache „a alergat sa apere pomisorul cu trupul lui“ (p. 14). Protejarea isterica a copacelului de catre pionierul cu spirit civic si educatie socialista e urmata de un moment de acalmie psihosomatica, in care cei trei cavaleri ai demnitatii vegetale aplica niste cunostinte de medicina pe cit de rudimentare, pe atit de ineficiente: „Udara pomul si-i lipira rana cu pamint“ (p. 15). Cum o fi aratat „lipitura“ ecologica in imaginatia autorului si cit de mult ar fi rezistat un (si asa inutil) „pansament“ cu pamint sint doua necunoscute ale scenetei, in masura sa-i deruteze si pe cei mai fantezisti dintre cititori. ("The moralizing of nature acquires bathetic tinges in the sketch Pomișorul by Ștefan Tita (First-grade Reading Aid, authored by Cella Aldea and Viniciu Gafița, EDP, Bucharest, 1974), wherein three children with noble hearts and melodious names (Tulache, Lica and Culai) plant a small tree that they then tend to with a self-sacrificing streak: when a gang of bullies proceed to throw rocks, Tulache 'runs to defend the little tree with his own body' (p. 14). The hysterical defense of that tiny tree by a civically-minded, socialist-educated Pioneer is followed by a psychosomatic calmness, with those three knights committed to defending the dignity of plants make use of medical expertise that is as rudimentary as it is inefficient: 'They watered the tree and glued its wound with dirt' (p. 15). How would this ecological 'glue' have looked like in the author's imagination, and for how long would such a (rather evidently useless) 'bandage' of dirt have held on, these are the two mysteries of that sketch, capable of confusing even the most imaginative readers.")
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jean-Pierre Sohahong-Kombet
Created by Dahn (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 110 past nominations.

Dahn (talk) 18:58, 3 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

MT Petar Hektorović

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Created by ThaesOfereode (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

ThaesOfereode (talk) 02:04, 3 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Rhapsody (climb)

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Rhapsody follows the thin diagonal crack in the middle of the northwest face of Dumbarton Rock
  • ... that when first climbed in 2006, Rhapsody became the first-ever E11-graded traditional rock climbing route?
  • Reviewed:
Created by Aszx5000 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Aszx5000 (talk) 19:20, 2 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

  •   Not really sure if this particular hook fact or wording is the best option here. It's really reliant on specialist information, specifically a grade of rock climbing that isn't even a universal or international one. My suggestion would be, if possible, to propose a hook that could be easily understood even by non-rock climbers. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:18, 3 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
How about "... that when first climbed in 2006, Rhapsody was the hardest traditional climbing route in the world?", with sourcing here Last year he succeeded in making what is generally recognised as the world's hardest 'traditional' climb, Rhapsody, on Dumbarton Rock from the BBC, and Rhapsody is officially known as the world's hardest traditional rock climb from Telegraph. Aszx5000 (talk) 15:14, 3 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
  That's a much better hook. This is ready for a full review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:28, 3 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on May 30 edit

Kenichirou Matsuda

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ミラP@Miraclepine 23:46, 6 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Felix Eberty

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  • ... that the 1846 book The Stars and World History by Felix Eberty, which contemplated a faraway observer seeing "the earth at this moment as it existed at the time of Abraham", inspired a young Albert Einstein?
  • Source: "By the time that Felix Eberty, a German jurist and amateur astronomer, anonymously published “The Stars and World History,” in 1846, it was well known that light had a finite speed... Eberty was particularly fascinated by what this delay meant for a faraway observer of our planet. Perched on a distant star, he wrote, such a person might “see the earth at this moment as it existed at the time of Abraham.” Furthermore, by hopscotching across the cosmos, “he will be able to represent to himself, as rapidly as he pleases, that moment in the world’s history which he wishes to observe at leisure.” Eberty had witnessed great gains in the speed of transportation and communication during his lifetime, and he believed that humanity might soon be travelling even faster than light.

Among the impressionable young Germans who read Eberty and Bernstein was one named Albert Einstein."

The New Yorker
Moved to mainspace by Thriley (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 134 past nominations.

Thriley (talk) 21:39, 6 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Erdős–Moser equation

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The support for the hook is in the article's abstract.
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LucasBrown 11:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • Pinging David Eppstein if he could contribute to the nomination (either as a reviewer or to suggest hooks) as the current hook seems very specialist or complex and thus may not be easily understood by general readership. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:54, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'll also note that the article would be better with a bit more prose to contextualize what is going on here. Currently the article itself is very inaccessible to the average reader, it would be nice to have a background of why this equation is important (I see the term "Diophantine equation" being used, maybe you could include a few sentences on how this relates to the article) and some prose (as opposed to proofs) to convey the methods being used to solve it. Sohom (talk) 01:10, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
According to our DYK rules, "Hooks should be likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest". I don't think that is the case for the proposed hook. Also, I think the hook is misleading: as far as we know, it could be the case that all solutions of the equation are the single solution 1+2=3, unrelated to the log(2) calculation. And calling this an "application" is dubious when it is just a mathematical calculation used to support another mathematical calculation. I have generally interpreted this rule as requiring that the hook connect the subject to some real-world topic beyond mathematics (just as we require that hooks about fiction connect the subject to some real-world topic beyond the plot). Unfortunately I see no non-mathematics at all in the article, on which to build a hook. It's kind of interesting to me that the known lower bound on a second solution is such a huge number, but I don't think I represent a general reader for this purpose. I do also agree that the walls of equations make the article hard to read (not just to the average reader), but that is not really a DYK criterion. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
To be honest, as a non-math guy, this hook is remarkably uninteresting. Though that is obviously my opinion, it shows that it is likely not a suitable one, or the article as a whole as a matter of a fact. TheBritinator (talk) 01:43, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
How about "... that the only known solution for the Erdős–Moser equation is "1 + 2 = 3" ? DS (talk) 21:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I think it's better. It still doesn't relate to non-mathematics at all, but at least it's (1) at a level understandable to the general reader, and (2) kind of intriguing how something so basic-looking as 1+2=3 could be the basis of something where we don't know if there is another solution. The question is whether it's enough better to pass the interestingness test. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:27, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I also think that's better. I was going to suggest something like "... no one knows whether the Erdős–Moser equation has more than one solution". XOR'easter (talk) 22:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I have added the 1+2=3 hook to the list. - LucasBrown 04:07, 6 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Articles created/expanded on May 31 edit

Medieval garden

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Gardening angels, c. 1510
  • Landsberg, Sylvia, The Medieval Garden, British Museum Press, ISBN 9780714120805, p. 7; ...manuscript illustrations are invaluable ... [and] are to be thought of ...as vivid documentary evidence"
  • Reviewed: coming
  • Comment: Text mainly the first article of User:1948dlj. Slightly late nom, sorry
Created by 1948dlj (talk) and Johnbod (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 241 past nominations.

Johnbod (talk) 03:31, 8 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Articles created/expanded on June 1 edit

Rosemary Miller

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  • ... that Rosemary Miller tried out skeet shooting in 1961, won her state's championship in 1962, and then won a state shooting championship all but two years for the rest of her life?
Moved to mainspace by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 187 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:03, 8 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Stoppa sabbet

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  • Source: "Totalt har televerket satsat två miljoner kronor i kampanjen. [...] Tjejerna i laget var först i Sverige. De är nu inne på tredje året" [‘In total, Televerket has invested SEK 2 million in the campaign. [...] The girls in the team were the first in Sweden. They are now in their third year’]
"Tjejerna stoppar sabbet", Aftonbladet 1988-08-25
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Created by AlexandraAVX (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

AlexandraAVX (talk) 09:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Joel Ross (vibraphonist)

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  • ... that Joel Ross spent over two years waiting to release his debut album after it had already been recorded?
Created by Mach61 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

Mach61 16:31, 1 June 2024 (UTC).Reply


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Talbot H. Green

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  • ... that one of the streets in San Francisco is named after a man who was using a false identity?
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Jacob0790 (talk) 20:23, 3 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • I note that at the time the street was named (circa 1850) it was not known to the people of San Francisco that Green was using a false identity. Might want to adjust the verb tense to reflect that. For instance "after a man who was using a false identity?" Erp (talk) 00:31, 4 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • Makes sense, Erp. Thanks, Jacob0790 (talk) 00:38, 4 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
      • I wonder if giving a tiny bit more detail might help. "that Green Street in San Francisco is named after a respected local businessman who was using a false identity to evade justice?". Erp (talk) 03:09, 6 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
        • I believe it's up to reviewers. They will definitely take it in consideration Jacob0790 (talk) 22:19, 6 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Nexz

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Moved to mainspace by Lullabying (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 50 past nominations.

lullabying (talk) 22:15, 2 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Jean-Pierre Sohahong-Kombet

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Faldi00 (talk) 14:01, 2 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

  •   New, (barely) long enough, some writing issues (sections should not exist for just one sentence, the content can neatly be folded into a single section); no plagiarism, QPQ not needed. The outstanding issue is that much of the article, including the hook, are not reliable sourced: dignitymemorial is in no definition a reliable source, and, for that matter, neither is tributearchive (per WP:UGC). The info sourced to such sites should be removed (will the article still be long enough when this takes place?), and in any case should not be used for hooks. Dahn (talk) 17:48, 3 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • Thanks for the feedback you gave me since it is the first time I have submitted a DYK nomination. Unfortunately, the only sources that mentioned his age when he became the ambassador to the US and his wife are from User-generated content websites. Sometimes, finding reliable sources of Central African politicians is quite difficult since the country has few online media news. Hence, I have to cite from UGC websites. However, if I remove those sites, the article will still be long enough since it only covers a small portion of the content. Also, it still implicitly states that he was 27 when he became the ambassador by counting the age from his birth and the date he was appointed. Hence, can I cite a hook without citing a source since it is indirectly mentioned in the article? Faldi00 (talk) 00:51, 4 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Dot and Bubble

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Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 03:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Just wanted to provide a second ALT to pick from  . TheDoctorWho (talk) 04:00, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
  Comment: @OlifanofmrTennant: The episode is not "'inspired by' Black Mirror", the source states nothing about inspiration and neither does the article, so please stop adding it here and in the article. ภץאคгöร 10:04, 2 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Client Hints

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Sohom (talk) 02:37, 3 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

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Articles created/expanded on June 3 edit

Over the Hill with the Swords of a Thousand Men (The Boys episode)

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TarheelBornBred (talk) 17:48, 6 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Inauguration of Lai Ching-te

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Lai Ching-te's inauguration
  • Source: AP
Created by CanonNi (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

'''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 06:14, 6 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Umbilicaria torrefacta

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Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 05:41, 6 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Alan Choe

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Created by Ktin (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 105 past nominations.

Ktin (talk) 03:13, 3 June 2024 (UTC).Reply


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Titan: The Life of John D. Rockefeller, Sr.

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DrOrinScrivello (talk) 16:21, 4 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Articles created/expanded on June 5 edit

Gedling Town F.C.

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Curlymanjaro (talk) 12:34, 9 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Chihiro (song)

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Billie Eilish
  • ... that "Chihiro" was titled in reference to the main character of Spirited Away? Source: ref: "Chihiro" is named after the protagonist from Hayao Miyazaki's 2001 film "Spirited Away," a fantastical coming-of-age journey that's been widely celebrated for its multi-layered storytelling and animation style.
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Created by Dxneo (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

dxneo (talk) 23:45, 5 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Nathan Steuer

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Nathan Steuer in 2024
https://web.archive.org/web/20210513172806/https://magic.wizards.com/en/events/coverage/gpsd15/magical-futures-2015-08-09 "We used to tease him about the ‘13 and up' on Magic packaging until he cracked back ‘It's just recommended'." https://magic.gg/news/the-week-that-was-the-greatest-steuer-ever-told
Moved to mainspace by GRuban (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 43 past nominations.

GRuban (talk) 14:00, 5 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Houdini (Eminem song)

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Created by Lk95 (talk) and Launchballer (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 233 past nominations.

Launchballer 09:05, 5 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Lookwide Camp

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Cairn commemorating Lookwide Camp
  • ... that when the Lookwide Camp was announced, the location had not yet been selected?
Converted from a redirect by Evrik (talk) and Horus Kol (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 121 past nominations.

--evrik (talk) 05:37, 5 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Articles created/expanded on June 6 edit

María Pacheco

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Improved to Good Article status by Grnrchst (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 36 past nominations.

Grnrchst (talk) 09:40, 7 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Breaking Through (2022 film)

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Toadboy123 (talk) 11:43, 6 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Maryland Child Victims Act

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Y2hyaXM (talk) 02:44, 6 June 2024 (UTC).Reply


Articles created/expanded on June 7 edit

Scybalium fungiforme

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The flower of Scybalium fungiforme
  • ... that the flowers of Scybalium fungiforme are covered in sharp scales that require opossums, with their opposable claws, to tear them open?
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Esther Tailfeathers
  • Comment: If there are any alternative wordings for the hook, I would be very much welcome to hear it! It is a very interesting plant that I believe would make a great hook. Thank you in advance to the reviewer for taking their time reading through this article!
Created by Ornithoptera (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 32 past nominations.

Ornithoptera (talk) 21:06, 7 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Victor Jacob Koningsberger

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Victor Jacob Koningsberger
Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 663 past nominations.

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 20:45, 7 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

1964 New York World's Fair pavilions

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Created by Epicgenius (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 656 past nominations.

Epicgenius (talk) 19:23, 7 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Maria Luigia Pizzoli

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Maria Luigia Pizzoli
  • ... that Italian pianist and composer Maria Luigia Pizzoli (pictured) shortly after her first public appearance due to a heart disease?
Created by SL93 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 405 past nominations.

SL93 (talk) 15:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

2018 Malang mayoral election

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Created by Juxlos (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 228 past nominations.

Juxlos (talk) 08:22, 7 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Better Off Dead?

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Moved to mainspace by Sdrqaz (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 8 past nominations.

Sdrqaz (talk) 03:12, 7 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Ernest J. King

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Fleet Admiral Ernest J. King
Improved to Good Article status by Hawkeye7 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 427 past nominations.

Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:02, 7 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

  • Adequate sourcing:  
  • Neutral:   - I have to err on the side of caution here, the source here says that

    He was a strict disciplinarian who popular myth held was so tough he “shaved with a blowtorch.”

    Perhaps the sentence should include the fact that this was a myth (really small degree of truth) instead of a said (some degree of truth)?
  • Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:  
  • Other problems:  
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited:  
  • Interesting:  
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 01:31, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply


Articles created/expanded on June 8 edit

Zhang Zhenglang

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Created by Generalissima (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 54 past nominations.

Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 01:13, 10 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Theobald of Marly

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Reliquary of Theobald of Marly
  • ... that the skull of Theobald of Marly is one of his few relics to survive destruction during the French Revolution?
5x expanded by Evrik (talk) and Polylerus (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 122 past nominations.

--evrik (talk) 23:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Joely Proudfit

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Created by Silver seren (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 121 past nominations.

SilverserenC 23:23, 8 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Cinema of Guinea-Bissau

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  • ... that to encourage the development of Bissau-Guinean cinema, one foreign filmmaker provided the country's film institute with cameras, lights, and a Steinbeck guitar?
  • Source: Laranjeiro, Catarina (2021), Blum, Françoise; Kiriakou, Héloïse; Mourre, Martin; Basto, Maria-Benedita (eds.), "The Bissau-Guinean Cinema: A Nation", Socialismes en Afrique (in French), Éditions de la Maison des sciences de l’homme, pp. 519–535, doi:10.4000/books.editionsmsh.51480., ISBN 978-2-7351-2698-9, retrieved 2024-06-08
  • ALT1: ... that Amílcar Cabral sent four Bissau-Guineans to learn film technique in Cuba, hoping to stimulate filmmaking in the country? Source: Arenas, Fernando (2017). "The Filmography of Guinea-Bissau's Sana Na N'Hada: From the Return of Amílcar Cabral to the Threat of Global Drug Trafficking". Portuguese Literary and Cultural Studies: 69. ISSN 2573-1432.
  • ALT2: ... that much of the early cinema of Guinea-Bissau was lost after the country's 1980 coup? Source: Cavoulacos, Sophie (June 8, 2024). "MoMA Presents: Filipa César's Spell Reel". MOMA. Retrieved June 8, 2024.
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Created by Lbal (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Lbal (talk) 22:26, 8 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Hermanus Johannes Lovink

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H. J. Lovink
Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 664 past nominations.

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:51, 8 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Great Alaskan Lumberjack Show

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  • Source: Ballas, Teeka; Bodry, Catherine; Bowman, Jessica; Coffman, Linda; Heller, Carolyn; Kernaghan, Sue; McBeath, Chris; Moure, Celeste; Readicker-Henderson, Edward; Reale, Tom; Schoenbohm, Laurel; Wyatt, Sarah (2009). Kealy, Kelly (ed.). Fodor's Alaska Ports of Call 2009. New York: Fodor's. p. 167. ISBN 978-1-4000-0707-3. ISSN 1520-0205. Retrieved 2024-06-08 – via Google Books.

    The book notes: "We don't recommend it if you're looking for authenticity, but the Great Alaskan Lumberjack Show is a 60-minute lumberjack contest providing a Disneyesque taste of old-time woodsman skills, including ax throwing, buck-sawing, springboard chopping, log-rolling duels, and a 50-foot tree climb that ends in a free fall."

Created by Cunard (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 75 past nominations.

Cunard (talk) 10:40, 8 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Articles created/expanded on June 9 edit

Way Less Sad

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Improved to Good Article status by Koopastar (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Koopastar (talk) 02:53, 10 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Sydnie Christmas

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Created by Launchballer (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 234 past nominations.

Launchballer 21:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver season 4

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Title card of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver
Moved to mainspace by MyCatIsAChonk (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 21 past nominations.

MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 19:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

H. J. Lovink Pumping Station

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The H. J. Lovink Pumping Station
  • Source: "Gemaal H.J. Lovink" [H.J. Lovink Pumping Station]. Rijksmonumentenregister (in Dutch). Ministry of Education, Culture and Science. Archived from the original on 10 December 2023. Retrieved 8 May 2024.
Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 665 past nominations.

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:40, 9 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Fusajiro Yamauchi

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DanganMachin (talk) 15:36, 9 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Margaret Carroux

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  • ... that Margaret Carroux translated both The Lord of the Rings and the parody Bored of the Rings into German? Source: Finding a translator for LotR in the 1960s wasn't an easy task. By the time Margaret Carroux (1912-1991) agreed to take the job [..] A valued professional with a reputation for commitment and meticulousness, her portfolio would come to include translations of [..] as well as Harvard Lampoon's Bored of the Rings" [45]
Moved to mainspace by Kusma (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 54 past nominations.

—Kusma (talk) 12:40, 9 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Walter W. White

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Walter W. White
5x expanded by B3251 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 15 past nominations.

B3251(talk) 05:44, 9 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

  • I understand the desire to make light of his name, but directly saying 'in an alternate universe' and inventing a quote is inappropriate. "The hook should include a definite fact" (WP:DYKHOOK), not an editorialization or humor qua humor.
    I think there are other things that are interesting here, anyway, where we can still play with the name without it. ... that WW was a Conservative? ... that before studying other sciences, WW studied botany? Or on the political side alone, I think him falling to third place in 1932 as a relatively long-standing incumbent could be interesting. Tastes vary of course... Urve (talk) 01:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Where the Angels Fall

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The Cat Empire performing live
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SupremeLordBagel (talk to me) 04:00, 9 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Emily Spreeman

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Created by Hameltion (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 59 past nominations.

Hameltion (talk | contribs) 02:05, 9 June 2024 (UTC).Reply


Articles created/expanded on June 10 edit

Texas Centennial half dollar

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Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 01:03, 10 June 2024 (UTC).Reply

Special occasion holding area edit

See also: WP:SOHA

The holding area is near the top of the Approved page. Please only place approved templates there; do not place them below.

Do not nominate articles in this section—nominate all articles in the nominations section above, under the date on which the article was created or moved to mainspace, or the expansion began; indicate in the nomination any request for a specially timed appearance on the main page.
Note: Articles intended to be held for special occasion dates should be nominated within seven days of creation, start of expansion, or promotion to Good Article status. The nomination should be made at least one week prior to the occasion date, to allow time for reviews and promotions through the prep and queue sets, but not more than six weeks in advance. The proposed occasion must be deemed sufficiently special by reviewers. The timeline limitations, including the six week maximum, may be waived by consensus, if a request is made at WT:DYK, but requests are not always successful. Discussion clarifying the hold criteria can be found here: Hold criteria; discussion setting the six week limit can be found here: Six week limit.
April Fools' Day hooks are exempted from the timeline limit; see Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know.
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